OSH;1058764 wrote:It seems like a hoax? I have never heard that. Our school's athletic trainer is a huge fan of Tim Ferriss and some of his methods for helping athletes recover. But, I'll let you know, for sure.

In the four days I've been on it, I've lost 5ish pounds. Feeling good. I am going to start doing more exercise next week. It's been rather hectic getting back in the swing of things after some travel at the beginning of the year (Florida and KC for a week each). So, I'll start some kettlebell swings and ab exercises Tuesday, hopefully. I can definitely say that I have been eating a lot healthier than before. That helps big time.

Most of this stuff is all in your head. Losing 5lbs is not an accomplishment.

To each his own though.

OSH;1058764 wrote:It seems like a hoax? I have never heard that. Our school's athletic trainer is a huge fan of Tim Ferriss and some of his methods for helping athletes recover. But, I'll let you know, for sure.

In the four days I've been on it, I've lost 5ish pounds. Feeling good. I am going to start doing more exercise next week. It's been rather hectic getting back in the swing of things after some travel at the beginning of the year (Florida and KC for a week each). So, I'll start some kettlebell swings and ab exercises Tuesday, hopefully. I can definitely say that I have been eating a lot healthier than before. That helps big time.

What i meant was, it doesn't seem like he's saying anything new. It kind of sounds like he combined a few different diets and called it his own. It's hard to get a sense reading the amazon reviews so i'm definitely curious how it works out for you.

sleeper;1058783 wrote:Most of this stuff is all in your head. Losing 5lbs is not an accomplishment.

To each his own though.

go away, no one here wants your dumb opinion.

sleeper;1058783 wrote:Most of this stuff is all in your head. Losing 5lbs is not an accomplishment.

To each his own though.

It's a start. And I am happy with it. Thanks though!

Raw Dawgin' it;1058785 wrote:What i meant was, it doesn't seem like he's saying anything new. It kind of sounds like he combined a few different diets and called it his own. It's hard to get a sense reading the amazon reviews so i'm definitely curious how it works out for you.

He may have. I don't know. I have the book. The book is so in-depth. I tried it last year, just by reading online and it didn't do the book justice. There's a lot of things brought together that the book details. Last year, it was tough...but I didn't have the in's and out's of the diet. It sucked eating the food then...now, it's great. I've gotten a lot of good recipes that work and look delicious. I'm looking forward to making several things.

You can follow my meals here.

OSH;1058810 wrote:It's a start. And I am happy with it. Thanks though!



He may have. I don't know. I have the book. The book is so in-depth. I tried it last year, just by reading online and it didn't do the book justice. There's a lot of things brought together that the book details. Last year, it was tough...but I didn't have the in's and out's of the diet. It sucked eating the food then...now, it's great. I've gotten a lot of good recipes that work and look delicious. I'm looking forward to making several things.

You can follow my meals here.

Cool. Really curious about the workout routine too. I'm not sure there is really a difference between slow and fast lifting.

OSH;1058810 wrote:You can follow my meals here.

Your salad is week, get some greens in there!

OSH;1058810 wrote: You can follow my meals here.

I hope you realize that egg whites aren't very nutritious. Sure, you get rid of a lot of cholesterol, but cholesterol is a very important component of the body, specifically helping your body create chemicals it needs to function. People that eat only egg whites like a basic understanding of human nutrition. For every study that has linked diet to high blood serum cholesterol, there is another that debunks it.

Also, is it really necessary to emphasize that you are drinking water with every meal? Seems redundant.

Raw Dawgin' it;1058804 wrote:go away, no one here wants your dumb opinion.

Lol, sleeper reported this post as trolling.

sleeper;1058783 wrote:Most of this stuff is all in your head. Losing 5lbs is not an accomplishment.

To each his own though.

Losing 5lbs is an accomplishment if, it's either all someone is looking to lose, or if it's the start of a larger drop in weight.

Why the need to piss in his cheerios?

justincredible;1058866 wrote:Losing 5lbs is an accomplishment if, it's either all someone is looking to lose, or if it's the start of a larger drop in weight.

Why the need to piss in his cheerios?

My apologies for not explaining why 5lbs is not an accomplishment. The human body can vary by around 3-7 pounds by just simply the time you weigh yourself. Water, which makes up most of our body, is very fluid and can account for a majority of weight fluctuations. In fact, to even further my point, by eliminating calories by not drinking them, someone could easily drop 20lbs+, depending on how calories one is consuming via beverages.

Sorry that my standard of excellence is significantly higher than a measly 5lb sampling error.

justincredible;1058860 wrote:Lol, sleeper reported this post as trolling.

Interesting that you support a post that is clearly off topic and is directly an attack on a poster via a personal attack.

It is your forum, so if this is the road you want it to go down, then so be it.

Sonofanump;1058845 wrote:Your salad is week, get some greens in there!

I know. I wish I could. My lunches are at the school's cafeteria (it's free for me)...the salads suck. It's a struggle for lunch. So, I try to add some more veggies in sometimes. It's going to take some time with the lunches. I really don't like the red wine vinaigrette salad dressing, but it's what is suggested. If I could find another, it'd make the lunches easier.

I may move to an Italian dressing of some sort. Or, redo my own dressing's concoction -- like less vinaigrette, more EVOO, and more garlic and herbs.

sleeper;1058851 wrote:I hope you realize that egg whites aren't very nutritious. Sure, you get rid of a lot of cholesterol, but cholesterol is a very important component of the body, specifically helping your body create chemicals it needs to function. People that eat only egg whites like a basic understanding of human nutrition. For every study that has linked diet to high blood serum cholesterol, there is another that debunks it.

Also, is it really necessary to emphasize that you are drinking water with every meal? Seems redundant.

I don't need to comment on the first part. It's not like talking to you about anything will actually accomplish much. But...I am adding a whole egg in each meal that I eat, which would be three whole eggs a day (if not more sometime).

But...I say I am drinking water with every meal because it's important. The Flickr account is basically a "food diary." It's more for me than anyone else. But, it's a reference for others if they want it. It's something that is suggested. Just documenting everything that you take in. I also try to include the amount of water because drinking 1.5 liters of water each morning is part of the plan. Also including the drink in each meal lets me know when I drink something else -- like, diet drinks, which are allowed but limited to 16oz. per day. I am trying not to drink any soft drinks though, just something I want to stay away from, if possible.

OSH;1058892 wrote:

I don't need to comment on the first part. It's not like talking to you about anything will actually accomplish much.

LOL okay. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

But...I say I am drinking water with every meal because it's important. The Flickr account is basically a "food diary." It's more for me than anyone else. But, it's a reference for others if they want it. It's something that is suggested. Just documenting everything that you take in.

If that's the case, I'm curious why you don't include oxygen? Its something you take in, has the same amount of calories as water, and is much of a food as water to.

I mean I understand the reason, it just seems odd to me that you'd include something as basic as water.

sleeper;1058878 wrote:My apologies for not explaining why 5lbs is not an accomplishment. The human body can vary by around 3-7 pounds by just simply the time you weigh yourself. Water, which makes up most of our body, is very fluid and can account for a majority of weight fluctuations. In fact, to even further my point, by eliminating calories by not drinking them, someone could easily drop 20lbs+, depending on how calories one is consuming via beverages.

Sorry that my standard of excellence is significantly higher than a measly 5lb sampling error.

You expect me to lose 20 pounds overnight? I just simply reported that I've lost 5 pounds in the first 4 days -- I am happy with it because it's a start. I weigh in every day and night. So far, I've been fortunate enough to see my nightly weigh-ins aren't adding a whole lot from my morning weigh-ins.

You really think that I don't know that the body fluctuates in weight, specifically water weight? Don't assume that. I am drinking more water now than I ever have before. Which is also important because the more water I drink, the less Kool-Aid, cranberry juice, Gatorade/Powerade, etc. I drink...which equates to adding many calories throughout the day.

sleeper;1058897 wrote:If that's the case, I'm curious why you don't include oxygen? Its something you take in, has the same amount of calories as water, and is much of a food as water to.

I mean I understand the reason, it just seems odd to me that you'd include something as basic as water.

Please read it thoroughly and carefully. It's a "food diary." It's not an everyday diary detailing every part of my life, including breathing. It's a way to document what is taken in EVERY meal. By including water, it also allows me to know if I don't drink anything during a meal. See how that works? It's really not that hard.

When I eat oxygen, I'll include it. Just for you.

sleeper;1058880 wrote:Interesting that you support a post that is clearly off topic and is directly an attack on a poster via a personal attack.

It is your forum, so if this is the road you want it to go down, then so be it.

You reported it as trolling. He also didn't attack you, he said your opinion was dumb.

Had he said "go away, you fucking idiot" I would agree that it's a personal attack.

justincredible;1058906 wrote:You reported it as trolling. He also didn't attack you, he said your opinion was dumb.

Had he said "go away, you ****ing idiot" I would agree that it's a personal attack.

Ok. I will note this for future reported posts. Thanks for the explanation.

OSH;1058905 wrote:Please read it thoroughly and carefully. It's a "food diary." It's not an everyday diary detailing every part of my life, including breathing. It's a way to document what is taken in EVERY meal. By including water, it also allows me to know if I don't drink anything during a meal. See how that works? It's really not that hard.

When I eat oxygen, I'll include it. Just for you.

Water is not food. You also take in oxygen at every meal. Like I said, it just seems redundant, but its not my blog and really no one but you will read it more than once.

OSH;1058899 wrote:You expect me to lose 20 pounds overnight? I just simply reported that I've lost 5 pounds in the first 4 days -- I am happy with it because it's a start. I weigh in every day and night. So far, I've been fortunate enough to see my nightly weigh-ins aren't adding a whole lot from my morning weigh-ins.

I don't expect you to lose 20lbs overnight. Typically, the body can only lose about 1lb of actual non-variable body weight per week. 5lb is a sampling error. It's meaningless.

sleeper;1058945 wrote:Water is not food. You also take in oxygen at every meal. Like I said, it just seems redundant, but its not my blog and really no one but you will read it more than once.

You are right that water is not food. It may be redundant to you, but it's not for you. It's a "food diary." It's documenting everything I eat and drink during every meal and every snack. That's enough on that. Don't need to go back to it again.

sleeper;1058948 wrote:I don't expect you to lose 20lbs overnight. Typically, the body can only lose about 1lb of actual non-variable body weight per week. 5lb is a sampling error. It's meaningless.

I've lost 5 pounds. It'll continue dropping too. My cheat day is on Saturday (maybe Friday, depends on my travel schedule), so I am definitely looking forward to eating something a bit different. The results from the 4HB diet don't lie. I'd like to read about people who haven't been successful on it. I'd like to see what happened that they weren't successful. I look at it as not being TOO different from the Paleo eating, but then again, I don't know a whole lot about the Paleo eating.

If I don't drop much weight, that's alright, I am ridding my diet of crappy foods, snacks, and drinks. There's something to be said for that.

OSH;1059020 wrote: The results from the 4HB diet don't lie. I'd like to read about people who haven't been successful on it. I'd like to see what happened that they weren't successful.

If I don't drop much weight, that's alright, I am ridding my diet of crappy foods, snacks, and drinks. There's something to be said for that.

I'd be curious of your definition for successful. I would normally just provide data of what I deem unsuccessful, but then you'll just spend time trying to invalidate the data or lie and say you aren't doing that part of it etc.. That's the problem with internet debating, someone will provide the framework and people will lie about their true story to counter the framework that person has put forth. The goal is to win, not to be honest and get the right feedback.

As far as your second statement, nothing wrong with eating less junk food, but it depends how you treat your "cheat" day. I think cheat days are important to any diet(read: lifestyle change) especially in the beginning. It's almost impossible to just up and change your eating habits without having some slack to transition from your old lifestyle.

My Salad today was 1/3 of the large plastic containers of organic 50/50 spring mix/spinach mix. 8oz of chicken, feta cheese, sunflower seeds, 1 avacado with EVOO and balsamic on top.

OSH;1059020 wrote: My cheat day

I don't agree with this term. Don't go all out and cheat all day. Make it a cheat snack or cheat meal, but make you other meals semi healthy.

sleeper;1058948 wrote: Typically, the body can only lose about 1lb of actual non-variable body weight per week.

Seriously, link? I would like to read this study/theory.

Sonofanump;1059076 wrote:Seriously, link? I would like to read this study/theory.

http://web.mit.edu/athletics/sportsmedicine/wcrwtloss.html

It's from MIT so expect LJ to find something wrong with it.