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friendfromlowry

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Mar 15, 2011 7:21 PM
thedynasty1998;713310 wrote:My point was that the general study classes are meaningless to these guys. They don't care about a degree. And you think them taking advantage of a $30,000 a year scholarship is more beneficial than them making the $1,000,000 that they would be making if they were playing in the NBA as 18 year olds, rather than spending a year in college?

If college is that important, they go back when they are 35 and pay their tuition with the cash that they would normally spend in a weekend in Vegas.

They don't have a choice one way or the other. They have to go for a year like it or not, might as well make the most of it. At age 18, they should care about anything that could potentially improve them move them along in life. There's never that guarantee that simply suffering through that year before making it to the pros is going to support you in life forever.
I guess my point is that it's all about perspective. These guys are given an opportunity that 99% of everyone else can only dream of. And you're right -- a 30K scholarship is nothing compared to the money they could/will be making in the pros.
Mar 15, 2011 7:21pm
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Mar 15, 2011 8:05 PM
friendfromlowry;713324 wrote:They don't have a choice one way or the other. They have to go for a year like it or not, might as well make the most of it. At age 18, they should care about anything that could potentially improve them move them along in life. There's never that guarantee that simply suffering through that year before making it to the pros is going to support you in life forever.
I guess my point is that it's all about perspective. These guys are given an opportunity that 99% of everyone else can only dream of. And you're right -- a 30K scholarship is nothing compared to the money they could/will be making in the pros.
They have choices. They could play pro ball in another country. They could spend the year flipping burgers. Most of them see going to college for a year as the best choice, but it is not the only choice.
Mar 15, 2011 8:05pm
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Mar 15, 2011 8:07 PM
friendfromlowry;713324 wrote:They don't have a choice one way or the other. They have to go for a year like it or not, might as well make the most of it. At age 18, they should care about anything that could potentially improve them move them along in life. There's never that guarantee that simply suffering through that year before making it to the pros is going to support you in life forever.
I guess my point is that it's all about perspective. These guys are given an opportunity that 99% of everyone else can only dream of. And you're right -- a 30K scholarship is nothing compared to the money they could/will be making in the pros.

Agreed.... for the kids that don't make it in the pros, well they get some free education and a different cultural experience. For the people that do cut it in the pros, they get the same but potentially lose out on some money. If "being forced" to receive a free education and the other perks is a negative thing then they must live one really good life.
Mar 15, 2011 8:07pm
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Mar 15, 2011 8:25 PM
stroups;713278 wrote:Here is Jason Whitlocks view and I have to say I agree on a lot of points he makes

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/ESPN-The-Fab-Five-documentary-Jalen-Rose-Chris-Webber-Juwan-Howard-Jimmy-King-Ray-Jackson-031511

I lost respect for Whitlock when he attacked the Rutgers women's basketball team and thanked Dom Imus.
Mar 15, 2011 8:25pm
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Mar 15, 2011 8:29 PM
stroups;713371 wrote:Agreed.... for the kids that don't make it in the pros, well they get some free education and a different cultural experience. For the people that do cut it in the pros, they get the same but potentially lose out on some money. If "being forced" to receive a free education and the other perks is a negative thing then they must live one really good life.

Losing out on money? Oh good grief. I'd love to lose out on their money. :rolleyes:
Mar 15, 2011 8:29pm
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Mar 15, 2011 8:30 PM
stroups;713278 wrote:Here is Jason Whitlocks view and I have to say I agree on a lot of points he makes

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/ESPN-The-Fab-Five-documentary-Jalen-Rose-Chris-Webber-Juwan-Howard-Jimmy-King-Ray-Jackson-031511

I don't agree with the fact he thought the sole purpose of the movie was for them to say they were pioneers for blacks in CBB. I didn't get that at all from the movie.
Mar 15, 2011 8:30pm
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Mar 15, 2011 8:32 PM
mallymal614;713382 wrote:I lost respect for Whitlock when he attacked the Rutgers women's basketball team and thanked Dom Imus.

Not that I think he was right but did you see what the girl from rutgers put on twitter about japan. I bet imus chuckled a little.
Mar 15, 2011 8:32pm
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Mar 15, 2011 9:13 PM
stroups;713390 wrote:Not that I think he was right but did you see what the girl from rutgers put on twitter about japan. I bet imus chuckled a little.

No that's new to me. You have a link to it? And I hope it isn't a lady who was on the Rugters team when the controversy took place with Imus.
Mar 15, 2011 9:13pm
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Mar 15, 2011 9:57 PM
Al Bundy;713367 wrote:They could spend the year flipping burgers.

Excellent recommendation.
Mar 15, 2011 9:57pm
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friendfromlowry

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Mar 15, 2011 10:05 PM
Al Bundy;713367 wrote:They have choices. They could play pro ball in another country. They could spend the year flipping burgers. Most of them see going to college for a year as the best choice, but it is not the only choice.

...What?
Okay, they have choices. No one is twisting their arm to go to college so they can someday play professional basketball. But, if they DO want to play basketball and make millions, their choices are limited...mainly to going to college. Not many players have worked it out to where they went overseas and played then came back and were drafted, or just took the year off completely and didn't play competitive ball.
Mar 15, 2011 10:05pm
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Mar 15, 2011 10:13 PM
friendfromlowry;713516 wrote:...What?
Okay, they have choices. No one is twisting their arm to go to college so they can someday play professional basketball. But, if they DO want to play basketball and make millions, their choices are limited...mainly to going to college. Not many players have worked it out to where they went overseas and played then came back and were drafted, or just took the year off completely and didn't play competitive ball.

Yea, the going overseas alternative has proven to be a poor choice with the experiences of Brandon Jennings and the kid doing it this year.

It's comical that people think someone like Jared Sullinger had options. He had zero options. He had to go to college.

That's the worst part about the whole rule, is that it's just for one year. You think the freshman who are going pro are still going to classes now that the 2nd semesters are underway? It's an absolute joke of what the NCAA claims to hold in such high regard, which is the student before the athlete.
Mar 15, 2011 10:13pm
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Mar 15, 2011 11:09 PM
thedynasty1998;713531 wrote:Yea, the going overseas alternative has proven to be a poor choice with the experiences of Brandon Jennings and the kid doing it this year.

It's comical that people think someone like Jared Sullinger had options. He had zero options. He had to go to college.

That's the worst part about the whole rule, is that it's just for one year. You think the freshman who are going pro are still going to classes now that the 2nd semesters are underway? It's an absolute joke of what the NCAA claims to hold in such high regard, which is the student before the athlete.

I am dead set against college players being paid. However, I do think that all sports should allow high school kids to go right to the pros. So I do agree somewhat with what you are saying here. The only reason it's somewhat is that this argument still only applies to a small % of college athletes, and it has really nothing to do with paying the players.
Mar 15, 2011 11:09pm
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Mar 15, 2011 11:13 PM
anyone else see the Bobby Hurley Dove commercial? Made me instantly think of this documentary.
Mar 15, 2011 11:13pm
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Mar 15, 2011 11:17 PM
As stroups said portions of revenue is put back into the university. Have you seen the insane amount of construction going on at OSU the past few years? Hell, the entire athletic department pulls money from football based profits.
Players are responsible for funding the university. I did not know that.

If Pryor contributes more to the University building fund through jersey sales does he get an attaboy??
Mar 15, 2011 11:17pm
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bigkahuna

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Mar 16, 2011 9:58 AM
I have a #2 Michigan Jersey

Who should receive compensation for my purchase (all have worn it at some point since me purchasing it)?
Cato June
Shawn Crable
Vincent Smith

or maybe the player that made the #2 famous-Charles Woodson.

I'm not buying a Player_Name Jersey. I'm buying a Michigan jersey with a number on it. This year, the player is making the number famous, but it's just a number.

I will say this. Denard Robinson is a player that I believe should be compensated because he is being exploited to the T. Someone (The University, Adidas, someone else...) is producing t-shirts that say "Shoelace" and have a pair of cleats unlaced on them. That is his nickname that he brought to school and is now making someone money.



This isn't the one I was thinking of, but it's the same premise.
Mar 16, 2011 9:58am
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Mar 16, 2011 10:04 AM
Who should receive compensation for my purchase (all have worn it at some point since me purchasing it)?
Cato June
Shawn Crable
Vincent Smith
Whomever was wearing it at the time of purchase. In reality, I think names should be put on the jerseys. It would increase sales and it would identify the player due the compensation.
I will say this. Denard Robinson is a player that I believe should be compensated because he is being exploited to the T.
No doubt!!
Mar 16, 2011 10:04am
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Mar 16, 2011 10:14 AM
Prescott;713908 wrote:Whomever was wearing it at the time of purchase. In reality, I think names should be put on the jerseys. It would increase sales and it would identify the player due the compensation.

Isn't that unfair to the other people that wore it though? Typically, there are certain numbers that are produced that reflect the popularity/tradition of that number, which usually translates into a big name player on the team at the time.

For example, you can find a #1 Michigan jersey ANYWHERE, but the last person to wear it was Braylen Edwards back in 2004. You can find #20 jerseys all over the place as well, but it's not because of Michael Shaw, it's because of Mike Hart, who graduated in 2008.

To be honest, if you ask most Michigan fans about the #2 jersey, I would bet the majority would answer Charles Woodson. I bought the jersey back in 2002 I believe. I remember thinking, "Hey that's Woodson's number," and not "Hey, that's Cato June's number."

That's the reason the name isn't on there, there is so much turnover. Hell, my hometown sporting goods store sells replica high school jerseys.
Mar 16, 2011 10:14am
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Mar 16, 2011 10:24 AM
bigkahuna;713900 wrote:I have a #2 Michigan Jersey

Who should receive compensation for my purchase (all have worn it at some point since me purchasing it)?
Cato June
Shawn Crable
Vincent Smith

or maybe the player that made the #2 famous-Charles Woodson.

I'm not buying a Player_Name Jersey. I'm buying a Michigan jersey with a number on it. This year, the player is making the number famous, but it's just a number.

I will say this. Denard Robinson is a player that I believe should be compensated because he is being exploited to the T. Someone (The University, Adidas, someone else...) is producing t-shirts that say "Shoelace" and have a pair of cleats unlaced on them. That is his nickname that he brought to school and is now making someone money.



This isn't the one I was thinking of, but it's the same premise.

Those shirts are not coming from the university, and are actually illegal to make by anyone. But hard to police. There has been many discussions over time about the vendors outside the stadium on gamedays selling illegal merchandise.
Mar 16, 2011 10:24am
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Mar 16, 2011 10:29 AM
and are actually illegal to make by anyone
Why are they illegal?? Has Robinson received a trademark for the nickname?

That's the reason the name isn't on there, there is so much turnover.
That is why sales would increase.
Mar 16, 2011 10:29am
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Mar 16, 2011 10:38 AM
I wouldn't want an OSU jersey with an 18 year old kids name on it.
Mar 16, 2011 10:38am
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Mar 16, 2011 10:47 AM
Not you, but thousands and thousands of people would
Mar 16, 2011 10:47am
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bigkahuna

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Mar 16, 2011 11:08 AM
WebFire;713926 wrote:Those shirts are not coming from the university, and are actually illegal to make by anyone. But hard to police. There has been many discussions over time about the vendors outside the stadium on gamedays selling illegal merchandise.

I know they aren't coming from the university, but someone is making a killing off of him. I'm always hesitant to buy from the the vendors outside the stadium, but it's hard to pass up a $15 hoodie.
Mar 16, 2011 11:08am
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bigkahuna

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Mar 16, 2011 11:14 AM
Automatik;713945 wrote:I wouldn't want an OSU jersey with an 18 year old kids name on it.

I don't think it's the fact that people don't want some kid's name on the back of their jersey.

People buy college jerseys because it represents the the school. The number is an afterthought because it can literally represent a dozen of different players.

Like I said before, putting names on the back of the jerseys would end up hurting the game, especially the smaller schools.
Mar 16, 2011 11:14am
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Mar 16, 2011 11:15 AM
bigkahuna;713977 wrote:I don't think it's the fact that people don't want some kid's name on the back of their jersey.

People buy college jerseys because it represents the the school. The number is an afterthought because it can literally represent a dozen of different players.

Like I said before, putting names on the back of the jerseys would end up hurting the game, especially the smaller schools.

The number is not an afterthought. If that were the case, Nike would print every single jersey with a #1 on it. But they don't, because people want the jersey of their favorite players.

It might be an afterthought for you personally, but the majority of people disagree with you.
Mar 16, 2011 11:15am
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Mar 16, 2011 11:41 AM
Prescott;713935 wrote:Why are they illegal?? Has Robinson received a trademark for the nickname?
Those folks are selling unlicensed NCAA merchandise. And with a license, the NCAA does not allow names or likeness. That is the reason names and such aren't used in the NCAA football video games.
Mar 16, 2011 11:41am