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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 4, 2011 11:24am
The dynasty...Either you do care or don't. You have posted conflicting statements.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 11:31am
How was it not a right to smoke in a bar?LJ;699294 wrote:It was never a right to smoke in a bar, what the fuck?
A gun is not responsible for any violence... another what the fuck?
Your watches sitting on your dresser and my guns sitting in my safe cause the exact same amount of violence. You cannot refute that FACT.
Guns are the reason for killings on a daily basis. Guns are used in robberies. What the fuck are you talking about. Yes, I know. People kill people. But guns make it a lot easier.
My watches do not cause the same amount of violence as the gun that shot a cop last night. Don't try to downplay the factor that guns play in violence today.
Yea, I understand that. I don't care about this gun privacy issue at hand, however I do care about people who make the argument that it's their "right" to carry a gun because George Washington said so. And the people who downplay the fact that guns are the cause of murders daily, are disturbing to me.Con_Alma;699295 wrote:The dynasty...Either you do care or don't. You have posted conflicting statements.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 11:34am
thedynasty1998;699301 wrote:How was it not a right to smoke in a bar?
Guns are the reason for killings on a daily basis. Guns are used in robberies. What the fuck are you talking about. Yes, I know. People kill people. But guns make it a lot easier.
My watches do not cause the same amount of violence as the gun that shot a cop last night. Don't try to downplay the factor that guns play in violence today.
Yea, I understand that. I don't care about this gun privacy issue at hand, however I do care about people who make the argument that it's their "right" to carry a gun because George Washington said so. And the people who downplay the fact that guns are the cause of murders daily, are disturbing to me.
It is impossible for an inanimate object to cause violence. Violence is an expression of agression. Inanimate objects cannot express feelings. Mega fucking fail on your part.
And it was not a right to smoke in a bar. I don't understand where you are getting that idea from? It's not even a right to smoke. Do you understand the difference between rights that are afforded to us by the constitution vs activities that are and are not allowed by law?
It's disturbing to me that people really think an inanimate object can be the cause of an action. Really makes me lose faith in overall intelligence of the human race.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 4, 2011 11:34am
O.K. I think I understand your position now. it sounds like this is really a non-issue to you. If you really don't care about the privacy issue why not concede to the view of the gun owners if they would rather not have their licensing be made public?thedynasty1998;699301 wrote:...
Yea, I understand that. I don't care about this gun privacy issue at hand, ...
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 11:35am
That's my point. Not that people shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, but that people should be willing to have stricter regulations in hopes of attempting to slow gun violence. Why someone would be bothered by the US Government knowing what guns you own is a little discouraging to me.Close to 40,000 Americans die each year from gunfire. Nearly half of these deaths are
homicides committed with cheap, easily obtainable, American-made handguns. In a recent year,
handguns were used in nearly one million violent crimes.
There was a time when I considered buying a gun myself, however I didn't. I appreciate the fact that I have that opportunity, however, I would have no problem telling the government exactly what gun I chose to buy.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 4, 2011 11:36am
The term "right" has been thrown around so frequently than it has become accepted as being irreplaceable with "permitted". I hate it.LJ;699304 wrote:.... Do you understand the difference between rights that are afforded to us by the constitution vs activities that are and are not allowed by law?
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LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 11:36am
thedynasty1998;699307 wrote:That's my point. Not that people shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, but that people should be willing to have stricter regulations in hopes of attempting to slow gun violence. Why someone would be bothered by the US Government knowing what guns you own is a little discouraging to me.
There was a time when I considered buying a gun myself, however I didn't. I appreciate the fact that I have that opportunity, however, I would have no problem telling the government exactly what gun I chose to buy.
And those crimes are caused by people.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 11:37am
Con_Alma;699308 wrote:The term "right" has been thrown around so frequently than it has become accepted as being irreplaceable with "permitted". I hate it.
I know, it really is disturbing
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 4, 2011 11:37am
thedynasty1998;699301 wrote:...
Yea, I understand that. I don't care about this gun privacy issue at hand,...
thedynasty1998;699307 wrote:... Why someone would be bothered by the US Government knowing what guns you own is a little discouraging to me....
Now I am confused again. These are conflicting points.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 11:39am
Don't be so simple minded. The more accessible guns are, the more gun violence we will have. Guns are deadly weapons. That's a fact.LJ;699304 wrote:It's disturbing to me that people really think an inanimate object can be the cause of an action. Really makes me lose faith in overall intelligence of the human race.
I understand. I have an opinion on the matter, however I don't care either way whether it passes or not. If California was considering changing their speed limit to 90 mpg on highways, I would have an opinion, but I really wouldn't care what they decided to do.Con_Alma;699305 wrote:O.K. I think I understand your position now. it sounds like this is really a non-issue to you. If you really don't care about the privacy issue why not concede to the view of the gun owners if they would rather not have their licensing be made public?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 11:41am
I am not the one that thinks an inanimate object can be the cause of something. You do realize that crimes have risen in the UK, Australia and Canada after their strict gun control went into effect right?thedynasty1998;699316 wrote:Don't be so simple minded. The more accessible guns are, the more gun violence we will have. Guns are deadly weapons. That's a fact.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 4, 2011 11:42am
It disturbs you but you don't care??? That in and of itself is intriguing to me.thedynasty1998;699316 wrote:...
I understand. I have an opinion on the matter, however I don't care either way whether it passes or not. ...
Thank you for trying to explain it. I appreciate that.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 4, 2011 11:53am
Thought we had a politics forum....
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 12:10pm
No I didn't know that. But I don't think anyone can deny that there is a gun problem here in the US right now.LJ;699322 wrote:I am not the one that thinks an inanimate object can be the cause of something. You do realize that crimes have risen in the UK, Australia and Canada after their strict gun control went into effect right?
I know I may be talking in circles. People disturb me in their hard stance on this issue. The bill, or proposal, or whatever the hell it is, doesn't really matter to me whether it is put into law.Con_Alma;699324 wrote:It disturbs you but you don't care??? That in and of itself is intriguing to me.
Thank you for trying to explain it. I appreciate that.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 12:13pm
There is a violence problem, not a gun problemthedynasty1998;699348 wrote:No I didn't know that. But I don't think anyone can deny that there is a gun problem here in the US right now.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 12:15pm
LJ;699351 wrote:There is a violence problem, not a gun problem
You really don't think there is a gun problem? Honestly?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 12:16pm
thedynasty1998;699353 wrote:You really don't think there is a gun problem? Honestly?
Honestly. This country has a culture of violence and crime. Nothing will change
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 12:19pm
LJ;699356 wrote:Honestly. This country has a culture of violence and crime. Nothing will change
Nothing will change?
I don't know the stats, but I would assume it is changing, for the worse.
You don't think there is a need and a responsibility to try to slow down the violence?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 12:21pm
thedynasty1998;699363 wrote:Nothing will change?
I don't know the stats, but I would assume it is changing, for the worse.
You don't think there is a need and a responsibility to try to slow down the violence?
There is nothing I can do to stop crimals. Knowing what I personally own will not change the criminal from being a criminal
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 4, 2011 12:24pm
thedynasty1998;699363 wrote:You don't think there is a need and a responsibility to try to slow down the violence?
Yes, but why do something that we know won't work? To make ourselves feel better that we "tried something"?
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 12:28pm
Is that a fact?LJ;699366 wrote:There is nothing I can do to stop crimals. Knowing what I personally own will not change the criminal from being a criminal
queencitybuckeye;699373 wrote:Yes, but why do something that we know won't work? To make ourselves feel better that we "tried something"?
How do we know what will and won't work?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 12:30pm
thedynasty1998;699386 wrote:Is that a fact?
Yes. My guns have nothing to do with guns that would never ever ever be reported
password
Posts: 2,360
Mar 4, 2011 12:30pm
This will always be a complex situation because of people far left and far right when it comes to gun control.Why do people fell that they have to register their guns with the government? You don't really think that little johnny down on the street corner selling drugs has his guns registered with the police.My guns are my business and nobody outside of my gun club need to know what I have.I think it makes it more of a challenge for would be robbers if they decide to enter my home, not knowing what awaits them when they enter that long dark hallway.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 4, 2011 12:30pm
thedynasty1998;699386 wrote:
How do we know what will and won't work?
Common sense
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Mar 4, 2011 12:41pm
LJ;699389 wrote:Yes. My guns have nothing to do with guns that would never ever ever be reported
Do you agree that guns are far too accessible to thugs?