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Zoltan
Posts: 1,003
Feb 22, 2011 9:47am
dwccrew;686869 wrote:I still don't see the correlation. IMO, preying on someone is to take advantage of them. The military providing someone opportunities they otherwise wouldn't have is not preying on them. People know what to expect when they join the military. Everything my recruiter promised me I received. Everything I was told would be expected of me I experienced. I never felt misled or preyed upon. Of course I was not from a low income family, but I don't see how that matters. It's not as if these people are forced into the military.
I never said they were the same thing, or that they were correlated. I only wrote that it would be accurate if you said, "provides options for." We seem to agree on this.
You only join the military in America by choice, that is not being preyed on.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 22, 2011 10:04am
Then I apologize for misinterpreting your post.Zoltan;686985 wrote:I never said they were the same thing, or that they were correlated. I only wrote that it would be accurate if you said, "provides options for." We seem to agree on this.
You only join the military in America by choice, that is not being preyed on.
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Feb 22, 2011 12:32pm
iclfan2;686542 wrote:Liberal scum bags. Heckling this guy is outrageous and disgusting.
Once again, them being liberal has nothing to do with it. Are all people against war Democratic/Liberal? I must have missed this memo.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Feb 22, 2011 1:39pm
CinciX12;687221 wrote:Are all people against war Democratic/Liberal?
Yes. Every last one of them. And all republicans are racist, war-mongering hicks who believe the entire middle east should be blown off of the map. Don't you pay any attention to politics at all?
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 22, 2011 2:48pm
CinciX12;687221 wrote:Once again, them being liberal has nothing to do with it. Are all people against war Democratic/Liberal? I must have missed this memo.
We need to tie all of this together. It'd be the perfect sub-title to our Politics forum.Mulva;687293 wrote:Yes. Every last one of them. And all republicans are racist, war-mongering hicks who believe the entire middle east should be blown off of the map. Don't you pay any attention to politics at all?
tsst_fballfan
Posts: 406
Feb 22, 2011 3:25pm
That's cool as long as the Solomon Amendment is FULLY enforced at Columbia!tcarrier32;685999 wrote:It's sad that he got heckled, and its even worse that he was injured during his service to this country. I dont see why Columbia should feel the need to have an ROTC program, it is within their right not to. I dont think those who heckled speak for the intelligent opposition to the ROTC program at the school. Just as all religious people arent represented by the Westboro Baptist Church.
There will always be people trying to destroy America, especially with our track record in wars, so his statements maybe true, but they do not warrant another ROTC program.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 22, 2011 3:33pm
I guess one could say that the military preys on males, as they make up most of the force.
Also, one could say that the military preys on patriotic individuals.
Most of the people I know who joined the military do not come from low income families. My brother left a 75k job to enlist. Most of the people I know personally who joined was because they had a sense of duty and honor to do so. Do people do so because they feel they have no other options? Sure...but I do not think they prey on low income families.
Also, one could say that the military preys on patriotic individuals.
Most of the people I know who joined the military do not come from low income families. My brother left a 75k job to enlist. Most of the people I know personally who joined was because they had a sense of duty and honor to do so. Do people do so because they feel they have no other options? Sure...but I do not think they prey on low income families.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 22, 2011 4:34pm
SMH at most of this thread. It needs to be moved to politics, but whatever.
Columbia is insanely liberal. This is not a surprise. It is sad, and should not have been accepted. People can protest, but they should have been escorted out.
The guy served his country, that is great, but honestly, how could he not be surprised this happened at Columbia?
Oh, the military shouldn't even try to put ROTC there, not worth the money.
Columbia is insanely liberal. This is not a surprise. It is sad, and should not have been accepted. People can protest, but they should have been escorted out.
The guy served his country, that is great, but honestly, how could he not be surprised this happened at Columbia?
Oh, the military shouldn't even try to put ROTC there, not worth the money.
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Feb 22, 2011 6:29pm
tsst_fballfan;687394 wrote:That's cool as long as the Solomon Amendment is FULLY enforced at Columbia!
i don't know if the military wants to completely cut its self off from Columbia, but that would be the way to do it. I wouldn't have a problem if they chose to take that action, although I don't think they will, as they don't with any other Ivy League schools, hell Harvard still received $400 million in federal funds in 2010 when they didn't allow ROTC on campus.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 22, 2011 10:08pm
Why should it be mandatory for a school to have ROTC?
I mean I think the program is fine and all but I don't think schools should be forced to have it.
I mean I think the program is fine and all but I don't think schools should be forced to have it.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Feb 22, 2011 10:28pm
I Wear Pants;687942 wrote:Why should it be mandatory for a school to have ROTC?
I mean I think the program is fine and all but I don't think schools should be forced to have it.
It shouldnt be mandatory. The universities that dont shouldnt expect federal funding either, right?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 22, 2011 10:30pm
I disagree there. Federal funding for universities should be based on whether their research and programs match federal grants, etc. Not on whether or not they have a military program on campus.september63;687961 wrote:It shouldnt be mandatory. The universities that dont shouldnt expect federal funding either, right?
september63
Posts: 5,789
Feb 22, 2011 10:41pm
Are you Ok with Columbia having the President of Iran speak on campus a cpl years ago? Please dont say a University has the right to invite whomever they want, while still accepting federal funds?
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Feb 22, 2011 11:26pm
CinciX12;687221 wrote:Once again, them being liberal has nothing to do with it. Are all people against war Democratic/Liberal? I must have missed this memo.
Being against the war has nothing to do with being a disrespectful liberal douche bag. I do not necessarily agree with the US still occupying the middle east, but since I'm not a POS, I respect any man or woman who would risk their lives fighting for my own country, especially one who took 11 bullets.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 22, 2011 11:30pm
CinciX12;687221 wrote:Once again, them being liberal has nothing to do with it. Are all people against war Democratic/Liberal? I must have missed this memo.
More times than not, and I'm talking about something probably like 99% of the time--anyone heckling a vet, especially in this type of setting is a pussy ass liberal.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 22, 2011 11:41pm
Why would a university not have the right to invite whomever they want to speak?september63;687985 wrote:Are you Ok with Columbia having the President of Iran speak on campus a cpl years ago? Please dont say a University has the right to invite whomever they want, while still accepting federal funds?
Can universities now only invite people to speak that our government approves of?
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 22, 2011 11:54pm
I Wear Pants;688061 wrote:Why would a university not have the right to invite whomever they want to speak?
Can universities now only invite people to speak that our government approves of?
Alright.
Politically, I know what kind of person you are. I have friends like you and I'm like you to a certain extent. Question everything, don't trust/believe everything you hear. The government isn't a happy little group of people who loves us. Whatever, you get what I'm saying. The thing is, just asking questions doesn't make you some free thinking intellectual snob. It doesn't mean your brain is processing faster than others. I think you'll probably still understand what I'm saying. You have to ask the RIGHT questions. You know what september is saying--you're implying that he wants government regulation on who can speak at a university of some bogus shit like that. But come on, you aren't stupid. It's certainly a bit of a conflict of interests when you host one of your countries worst enemies and welcome him with open arms.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 22, 2011 11:56pm
Now of course, they can invite anyone they want. That is their right. But it is also our right to call a spade a spade in a case where someone is pampering the enemy and belittling the hero.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 23, 2011 12:01am
How is it a conflict of interests? All a university is interested in is learning. We can learn from our enemies maybe even better than we can from our friends.SQ_Crazies;688088 wrote:Alright.
Politically, I know what kind of person you are. I have friends like you and I'm like you to a certain extent. Question everything, don't trust/believe everything you hear. The government isn't a happy little group of people who loves us. Whatever, you get what I'm saying. The thing is, just asking questions doesn't make you some free thinking intellectual snob. It doesn't mean your brain is processing faster than others. I think you'll probably still understand what I'm saying. You have to ask the RIGHT questions. You know what september is saying--you're implying that he wants government regulation on who can speak at a university of some bogus shit like that. But come on, you aren't stupid. It's certainly a bit of a conflict of interests when you host one of your countries worst enemies and welcome him with open arms.
I don't think he wants government regulation on who can speak at universities and I wasn't trying to imply that. But what he said sounds like he thinks that a university shouldn't be allowed to accept federal funds if they have a specific person speak on their campus. I think that's not a good way of thinking.
And like I've said, the people should have been respectful of this veteran, not only because he's a veteran but because he was speaking at an assembly or something that they decided to go to. It's simply rude to shout down anyone and almost never makes your opinion or group of people look more intelligent or right. It almost always has the opposite effect.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Feb 23, 2011 6:57am
This is correct.SQ_Crazies;688092 wrote:Now of course, they can invite anyone they want. That is their right. But it is also our right to call a spade a spade in a case where someone is pampering the enemy and belittling the hero.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 23, 2011 1:24pm
SQ_Crazies;685690 wrote:A bunch of liberals in higher education acting like morons. Is anyone surprised?
Indeed, and also acting just like their marxist professors tell them to act. Their little fiefdoms are next to be dismantled.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 23, 2011 2:26pm
Yeah because good colleges are bad for the country...
tsst_fballfan
Posts: 406
Feb 23, 2011 2:30pm
In some ways, yes they can be! This thread subject being an example.I Wear Pants;688838 wrote:Yeah because good colleges are bad for the country...
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 23, 2011 2:35pm
Some disrespectful jerks != the entire populous of good colleges.
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Feb 23, 2011 2:45pm
I Wear Pants;688838 wrote:Yeah because good colleges are bad for the country...
havent you heard? they breed liberals which cause the downfall of democracy. they intellectually challenge personal beliefs, which we all know is terrible for a country. i think this thread is a better example of conservative bitterness than "liberal" nonsense.