tcarrier32;686081 wrote:i disagree wholeheartedly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre.

IF (God forbid) there was a war on our soil, people would view things like this MUCH, MUCH, MUUUUUUUCH differently after seeing your unarmed neighbor get mowed over by some towel head with an AK47. It's easy to sit on your high horse and cite things like that.

Did not click on the recent link but we all have to realize military folk are a cross section of America and yes, there will be some of them who are bad people who do bad things. No profession on God's green earth is free from having someone who soils the reputatoin of that profession.

thavoice;686090 wrote:Did not click on the recent link but we all have to realize military folk are a cross section of America and yes, there will be some of them who are bad people who do bad things. No profession on God's green earth is free from having someone who soils the reputatoin of that profession.

No one was suggesting My Lai be used to define the entire military. But the idea that simply because you're a soldier means you deserve unquestioned respect is incorrect.

Almost all soldiers, and I think they'd agree with this, earn the respect that most have for them. Those that do terrible things in the uniform like at My Lai and similar type things like at Abu Ghraib did not earn that respect.

SQ_Crazies;685949 wrote:You're clueless if you don't believe him. As much as some may be into fear mongering while ignoring some facts, if you don't believe him then you're part of the group that defies everything fear mongers say for the principle of it, whether there are facts behind it or not. So you're no different.

Like it or not, he speaks the truth. I'm not one of those people that are buying up guns left and right and building an underground shelter. But there are people out there that want to bring down this country and kill all of us that don't convert and they're plotting ways to do it.

I would like to bring down Gamestop because they're a terrible company with shit policies. Doesn't mean I'm a threat to them.

As long as we're watchful poor dudes in the Middle East pose zero real threat to us. Can they kill some of us? Sure, but so could anyone in this country right now.

SQ_Crazies;686085 wrote:IF (God forbid) there was a war on our soil, people would view things like this MUCH, MUCH, MUUUUUUUCH differently after seeing your unarmed neighbor get mowed over by some towel head with an AK47. It's easy to sit on your high horse and cite things like that.

Since when is using rational thought being on a high horse? It is morally and ethically impermissible to use those tactics. Whether or not you want to realize this, the United States is not the supreme moral entity in the world. I do not want the US to be taken over, nor do i want to see it invaded. But sentiments like the ones you just stated are rather disgusting. It doesnt matter if China storms Los Angeles and massacres the city, to retaliate in a similar manner just worsens the situation.

ccrunner609;686163 wrote:



These are the type of idiots I like, do they realize that these "low income" people get paid quite well, a big signing bonus and get college paid for?

They are so stupid to assume that the military isa bad option for poor people. Its a hell of alot better then a minumum wage job.

I think that's the point they are trying to make. A poor person will be much more likely to jump at the chance to join military because it's better than the life that is staring them in the face. The use of the term "preys on" could just as easily be changed to "provides options for" and it would still be accurate though.

tcarrier32;686223 wrote:Since when is using rational thought being on a high horse? It is morally and ethically impermissible to use those tactics. Whether or not you want to realize this, the United States is not the supreme moral entity in the world. I do not want the US to be taken over, nor do i want to see it invaded. But sentiments like the ones you just stated are rather disgusting. It doesnt matter if China storms Los Angeles and massacres the city, to retaliate in a similar manner just worsens the situation.

So if China, or anyone, attacks and massacres a city then the US should do nothing?

I guess the US should have just told Japan to not do it again after they attacked Pearl Harbor.......

I dont think there will ever be a day where another country invades our own. A terrorist or some sort of sneak attack yes, but we will never have war on our land. This isn't the middle east where the normal citizen is afraid, if somebody invades our land, not only will they have to face our armed forces, but also every citizen.

Pick6;686290 wrote:I dont think there will ever be a day where another country invades our own. A terrorist or some sort of sneak attack yes, but we will never have war on our land. This isn't the middle east where the normal citizen is afraid, if somebody invades our land, not only will they have to face our armed forces, but also every citizen.

i agree. We will not see a formal attack like in past wars, or that we see on occasion around the world. It will be on the sorts of a small segment of poeple, like on september 11th, who want to wreak havoc. We will never see on a scale like Pearl Harbor again. No country is that dumb.

Is that girl in the picture even an American? If she is a foreign "gifted" student on scholarship she has NO business bashing our Govt or military. If she doesnt like it here, she may go home.

thavoice;686280 wrote:So if China, or anyone, attacks and massacres a city then the US should do nothing?

I guess the US should have just told Japan to not do it again after they attacked Pearl Harbor.......

thats not what i was saying at all. i was saying that the kind of attacks like the My Lai Massacre are not warranted even if our borders are being attacked. I guess you should of read the context(s) of my previous posts and the post i was responding to...

dlazz;685980 wrote:Nice writing, NY Post.

Lol, I'm glad someone else caught that.

tcarrier32;686081 wrote:i disagree wholeheartedly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre.

He said there is never a reason to belittle a VETERAN. Someone who receives a dishonorable discharged is not considered a veteran.


These people need to be careful who they are heckling. I don't think I would want to mess with someone who was shot 12 times AND SURVIVED. That is one tough SOB.

He should have winked at one of the protesters girlfriends, because he knows that she knows that she is dating pussy...

if only fragging was legal.............

That asshole would not last a week in my squad .... his attitude would change the second day when ordered to take point. After the shit run down his leg and he stop crying I would tell him it a joke for the FNG ( fucking new guy) but if he not a team player there is no bench in combat.

Liberal scum bags. Heckling this guy is outrageous and disgusting.

Polar Bear 73;686379 wrote:He said there is never a reason to belittle a VETERAN. Someone who receives a dishonorable discharged is not considered a veteran.


These people need to be careful who they are heckling. I don't think I would want to mess with someone who was shot 12 times AND SURVIVED. That is one tough SOB.

only 1 of the participants was charged. the other 13 who were investigated had the charges dropped. Most of those 13 were already out of service by the time charges were brought about, and under law they were not able to be charged. They got off without being dishonorably discharged.

One one hand, they were EXTREMELY disrespectful to the brave soldier.

On the other, much of what they are upset about is basically true (from a retrospective standpoint). There haven't been many times where WAR was justified in the history of WARS. It usually is an inhumane act of a greater nation preying on a weaker.

However, many acts like peacekeeping duties are justified from outside nations trying to keep peace with two feuding nations.

They understand that nations need to evolve (even the US) however, it doesn't give you the right to act in the manner they did, but they become monsters themselves by the way they display their disapproval.

So basically, you need to be like me.

its ok to disagree with reasons to be in a war, but you should never disrespect somebody doing their job and fighting for your freedom.

I heard some audio of it earlier this evening...love the cunt in the background saying "that's offensive" when he states that there are men that hate America and want to destroy us. Um...how is stating the truth offensive? He never mentions a specific country, race, religion, etc. No sane person can refute the fact that there are people out there that hate our country and want to see us dead.

tcarrier32;686576 wrote:only 1 of the participants was charged. the other 13 who were investigated had the charges dropped. Most of those 13 were already out of service by the time charges were brought about, and under law they were not able to be charged. They got off without being dishonorably discharged.

You are correct that the charges were dropped, but, there were considerably more than 13 who were investigated. The total was more like 26. However you are incorrect about them not being able to be charged after they were discharged. They could have been involuntarily recalled to active duty to be tried if charges were appropriate.

btw, when I was last stationed at Ft Benning, GA, LT Calley was a jeweler in downtown Columbus, GA.

Polar Bear 73;686723 wrote:You are correct that the charges were dropped, but, there were considerably more than 13 who were investigated. The total was more like 26. However you are incorrect about them not being able to be charged after they were discharged. They could have been involuntarily recalled to active duty to be tried if charges were appropriate.

btw, when I was last stationed at Ft Benning, GA, LT Calley was a jeweler in downtown Columbus, GA.

"On November 24, 1969, Lt. Gen. W.R. Peers was directed by the Secretary of the Army to review &#8220ossible supression or witholding of information by persons involved in the incident." After more than 26,000 pages of testimony from 403 witnesses were gathered, the Peers inquiry recommended that charges should be brought against 28 officers and two non-commissioned officers involved in a cover-up of the massacre. The Peers report concluded that the brigade commander, Col. Oran Henderson, and the commanding officer, Lt Col Frank Barker, had substantial knowledge of the war crime, but did nothing about it. In the end, Army lawyers decided that only 14 officers should be charged with crimes. Meanwhile, a separate investigation by the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division concluded that there was evidence to charge 30 soldiers with the crimes of murder, rape, sodomy, and mutilation. Seventeen men had left the Army, and charges against them were dropped.

Army investigators concluded that 33 of the 105 members of Charlie Company participated in the massacre, and that 28 officers helped cover it up. Charges were brought against only 13 men. In the end, only one soldier – Lt. William Calley - was convicted. Calley was charged with murdering 104 villagers in the My Lai massacre."

this is what i was getting at, thirteen men were charged. i worded my statement poorly.

and that is eerie about Calley. i couldn't imagine what he was going through back then

SQ_Crazies;685949 wrote: But there are people out there that want to bring down this country

The sad part is the ones that are effectively doing it sit in the offices in the Capitol Building in DC.

sleeper;685984 wrote:I don't condone heckling or disrespecting anyone, but I do think this country over glorifies the military. Just because you are a solider doesn't mean you deserve my "thanks" or my increased tax dollars supporting your "worthy" causes.

Technically it is not the soldiers "worthy" causes, it is the governments. I think veterans deserve our thanks. You'd be surprised how many veterans do not agree with the "worthy" causes they were apart of....I am one of them. I didn't agree with the Iraq war, but I did serve because I signed up (pre 9-11) to do a job. I would never ask someone to thank me, but I personally would thank every veteran that has served honorably in all of our wars, even the wars that I 100% disagree with.

Zoltan;686270 wrote:I think that's the point they are trying to make. A poor person will be much more likely to jump at the chance to join military because it's better than the life that is staring them in the face. The use of the term "preys on" could just as easily be changed to "provides options for" and it would still be accurate though.

WTF are you talking about? "preys on" and "provides options for" are not close to being the same thing. College provides options for students. College preys on students. Ummm, not the same meaning.

He was saying that depending on how you look at it one could make the argument that the military "preys on" low income communities by taking advantage of their shitty situations and dangling what seems like a great option in front of them to gain new cannon fodder. If you look at it differently though you could say the military provides an option for low income people to get a decent amount of money to pay off debt or buy a house, etc and get an education.

I Wear Pants;686867 wrote:He was saying that depending on how you look at it one could make the argument that the military "preys on" low income communities by taking advantage of their shitty situations and dangling what seems like a great option in front of them to gain new cannon fodder. If you look at it differently though you could say the military provides an option for low income people to get a decent amount of money to pay off debt or buy a house, etc and get an education.

I still don't see the correlation. IMO, preying on someone is to take advantage of them. The military providing someone opportunities they otherwise wouldn't have is not preying on them. People know what to expect when they join the military. Everything my recruiter promised me I received. Everything I was told would be expected of me I experienced. I never felt misled or preyed upon. Of course I was not from a low income family, but I don't see how that matters. It's not as if these people are forced into the military.