BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Nov 8, 2011 8:49pm
Or here - http://vote.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=130:MYRESULTS:0thePITman;964132 wrote:Where can we find the results?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 8, 2011 9:17pm
Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 8, 2011 9:25pm
dittosleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Nov 8, 2011 9:25pm
That's the spirit.sleeper;964190 wrote:I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
Here's something for you and all your SB5 supporters:
1. Apply to fingertips for all the chapping from your (plural) posts on this thread.
2. Feel free to apply it to another end of your body for the pounding that Issue 2 is taking tonight.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Nov 8, 2011 9:29pm
This.sleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
imex99
Posts: 4,927
Nov 8, 2011 9:29pm
sleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
Are u always such an ass? They went all about this the wrong way....
My state agency already pays what sb5 asked for!
They need to get everyone on the same playing field but not destroying collective bargaining. They went for the entire kit and kaboodle and not how they should of went about it. They rushed the whole bill instead of working with all the parties and getting things done.
Working would have got results and not throwing rushed and bullying legislation that didn't work down our throat.
Things need to change but not the way they tried...
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Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Nov 8, 2011 10:29pm
you think layoffs wouldnt happen if SB5 passed? ha, thats funny. they were/are going to happen either way.sleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 8, 2011 10:30pm
No bill is ever perfect. It was still the right thing to do.imex99;964226 wrote:Are u always such an ass? They went all about this the wrong way....
My state agency already pays what sb5 asked for!
They need to get everyone on the same playing field but not destroying collective bargaining. They went for the entire kit and kaboodle and not how they should of went about it. They rushed the whole bill instead of working with all the parties and getting things done.
Working would have got results and not throwing rushed and bullying legislation that didn't work down our throat.
Things need to change but not the way they tried...
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sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 8, 2011 10:31pm
Good.Glory Days;964319 wrote:you think layoffs wouldnt happen if SB5 passed? ha, thats funny. they were/are going to happen either way.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 8, 2011 10:36pm
Destroying collective bargaining? Don't believe so. They removed portions to even the playing field. The right to bargain for wages, hours, and working conditions would've still been there, giving public employees and big bargaining chip.imex99;964226 wrote:Are u always such an ass? They went all about this the wrong way....
My state agency already pays what sb5 asked for!
They need to get everyone on the same playing field but not destroying collective bargaining. They went for the entire kit and kaboodle and not how they should of went about it. They rushed the whole bill instead of working with all the parties and getting things done.
Working would have got results and not throwing rushed and bullying legislation that didn't work down our throat.
Things need to change but not the way they tried...
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I just don't understand how people believed that repealing SB5 would save jobs. The state was struggling to pay state nurses as it was, this certainly doesn't help. Firehouses are closing all over the state, anyone really think they'll reopen now? It's simple economics, and too many people voted based on their personal position as opposed to what was best for the state as a whole.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 8, 2011 11:29pm
I believe some people who voted yes on issue 2 voted down their local levies because polls were indicating issue 2 would fail. I am speaking anecdotally so take it for what it is. I voted yes on Issue 2 and yes on local tax levies.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Nov 9, 2011 12:59am
No it wasn't. If it's not perfect, why the fuck would you vote for it? You wait until something that is both fair and practical to come to the table.sleeper;964322 wrote:No bill is ever perfect. It was still the right thing to do.
Taking the power away from the people isn't practical.
SB5 was a joke. I agree, some things need changed, but not that drastically.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Nov 9, 2011 1:04am
i figured it would be more like yes on 2 and no levies with the whole "i am not giving any more of my hard earned money to the gub'ment" attitude.majorspark;964376 wrote:I believe some people who voted yes on issue 2 voted down their local levies because polls were indicating issue 2 would fail. I am speaking anecdotally so take it for what it is. I voted yes on Issue 2 and yes on local tax levies.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 9, 2011 1:29am
I am much more willing to give my tax dollars to local government. My money is directly poured back into my community. I am more able to watch over its use.Glory Days;964431 wrote:i figured it would be more like yes on 2 and no levies with the whole "i am not giving any more of my hard earned money to the gub'ment" attitude.
As I said this is anecdotal. But I got the impression that certain people angered that issue 2 was going to go down in the polls lashed out and voted against local levies to "stick it to them". I did not take that route.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Nov 9, 2011 3:25am
God forbid Union employees get paid based on justified merit. All issue #2 does is protect mediocrity.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Nov 9, 2011 6:59am
Issue 2 goes down like the flames in hell that created it.
The first real failure of the Kasich regime. The R's in Ohio made a tacticle error by grouping the firefighters and police in with the teachers.
Still overall, I would give the governor a B in his efforts. The whole issue 2 thing diverted attention away from his other agendas including the budget. It appears that notice was served to the current Kasick Kammandos.
The first real failure of the Kasich regime. The R's in Ohio made a tacticle error by grouping the firefighters and police in with the teachers.
Still overall, I would give the governor a B in his efforts. The whole issue 2 thing diverted attention away from his other agendas including the budget. It appears that notice was served to the current Kasick Kammandos.
redstreak one
Posts: 1,152
Nov 9, 2011 7:26am
4 BILLION dollars are being cut from the education budget for the next few years! This wasnt about the money, Kasich was able to cut that without this bill. I pay for my insurance and retirement, our district just voted a pay freeze and we will do what is necessary to keep as many people here employed as possible while still maintaining a solid living wage!
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coach_bob1
Posts: 130
Nov 9, 2011 7:31am
This was not about money. If it was, then SB 5 would have just set amounts that must be payed toward healthcare and pensions (which btw, most state employees already pay the 10% and 15% SB 5 mandated.) This was about the controlling political party limiting the power of groups that oppose it.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Nov 9, 2011 7:38am
opportunity lost.
...So your union leaders would have you believe.This was about the controlling political party limiting the power of groups that oppose it.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 9, 2011 7:45am
Adam Smith called it "Enlightened Self Interest"tk421;964088 wrote:Pretty sad that the general population just lets the unions suck them in. Someone explain to me how less than 5% of the population of this state deserves these benefits/pensions that the rest of us are never going to be able to match? Only 350,000 public employees, yet somehow the public is going to vote this down.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 9, 2011 7:54am
I would expect to see a record number of school & safety levies over the next couple elections. People can't, w/ clear conscious, vote down a levy after repealing SB5. Now is the time to get those levies out there, and I for one, will not vote for them.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Nov 9, 2011 8:25am
Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.redstreak one;964482 wrote:4 BILLION dollars are being cut from the education budget for the next few years! This wasnt about the money, Kasich was able to cut that without this bill. I pay for my insurance and retirement, our district just voted a pay freeze and we will do what is necessary to keep as many people here employed as possible while still maintaining a solid living wage!
Abe Vigoda
Posts: 164
Nov 9, 2011 8:57am
A win for the middle class. (Those silly polls!) Now we can continue to sit down together and solve some of the real issues that public collective bargaining has.
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Nov 9, 2011 8:57am
A great way to get more money into the state's education budget = getting more businesses in Ohio for increased tax revenue.redstreak one;964482 wrote:4 BILLION dollars are being cut from the education budget for the next few years! This wasnt about the money, Kasich was able to cut that without this bill. I pay for my insurance and retirement, our district just voted a pay freeze and we will do what is necessary to keep as many people here employed as possible while still maintaining a solid living wage!
Abe Vigoda
Posts: 164
Nov 9, 2011 8:59am
I guess you forgot that merit evaluations was inserted into the budget language last summer and SB 5s defeat will not change that.said_aouita;964452 wrote:God forbid Union employees get paid based on justified merit. All issue #2 does is protect mediocrity.