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Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

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bases_loaded

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Feb 26, 2011 4:16 PM
Do you have benefits?
Feb 26, 2011 4:16pm
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Feb 26, 2011 4:16 PM
bases_loaded;692746 wrote:Do you have benefits?

Oh, well yeah. I get paid $34,000 but my benefits are around $250,000 per day.
Feb 26, 2011 4:16pm
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Feb 26, 2011 4:34 PM
Oh, well yeah. I get paid $34,000 but my benefits are around $250,000 per day.
You should have become a custodian. I saw a 10TV story a couple of years ago about the wages "earned" by some custodians in the CSD. The article below deals with some custodians in Houston's school system.

Custodians making more money than teachers?

Vernon Washington is the chief custodian at Sharpstown High School. You might expect his salary would be less than a teacher would make. And you're right.

But teachers can't get overtime. Washington can. And he's made more than 1,700 hours overtime in just 10 months.

This year, he's more than doubled his base salary to nearly $90,000. He'll make more money than any teacher at the entire high school -- more than the assistant principals make. .......

At Sharpstown alone, 12 custodians made $97,000 in overtime in just 10 months. And Washington alone made nearly half of it.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/13_undercover&id=7459193
Feb 26, 2011 4:34pm
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Feb 26, 2011 4:37 PM
ernest_t_bass;692740 wrote:I make $34,000. That is overpaid?

That is just base salary and does not incude benefits, which if you include, most are absolutely overpaid. This bill will fix that, and I hope it passes.
Feb 26, 2011 4:37pm
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Feb 26, 2011 4:47 PM
ernest_t_bass;692740 wrote:I make $34,000. That is overpaid?

that's $45k if you went 12 months. And you have been working how long?

And don't give me that "but I take classes in the summer" bullshit. People who aren't teachers have to take classes at night while they work full time.
Feb 26, 2011 4:47pm
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Feb 26, 2011 5:15 PM
I can guarantee you custodians and bus drivers (yes they have a union too) at public school districts make far more in wages and benefits than those in the private sector do. No, I don't have numbers -- but the benefits, alone, would push them higher than any similar slot in the private sector. However, I'm willing to bet the salaries are higher, too.
Feb 26, 2011 5:15pm
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Feb 26, 2011 5:48 PM
I do want to point out that when other people were getting caught up in downsizing, cutting salaries, losing their jobs, losing their pensions its not like teachers were on OC celebrating and telling them "we are glad you are losing money, we are glad you might lose your job." I do find it strange that some of the people on here are celebrating "teachers getting what they got coming to them". When the economy was great and people in the private sector were making money with less worry I did not hear all of this hate and vitriol.

Our Federal government wasted no time in bailing out banks and automakers when greed and mismanagement threatened to destroy those industries. I understand that the current system is not set up in an appropriate manner but stop taking so much joy in other people's anxiety.

If teachers make $60,000 a year without unions will this be ok or are we all pieces of crap that just made a bad career choice?
Feb 26, 2011 5:48pm
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Feb 26, 2011 5:48 PM
ernest_t_bass;692747 wrote:Oh, well yeah. I get paid $34,000 but my benefits are around $250,000 per day.

WHAT ARE YOUR BENEFITS AND HOW MUCH DO THEY COST YOU A MONTH?
Feb 26, 2011 5:48pm
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mella

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Feb 26, 2011 6:00 PM
bases_loaded;692810 wrote:WHAT ARE YOUR BENEFITS AND HOW MUCH DO THEY COST YOU A MONTH?
Do you want sick days? That's 15 days a year, might be too many.

Vacation days? Non paid, we get "summers off", winter break, spring break, .... so they are not needed.

I also get 3 personal days which can be converted to sick days or paid at a per diem rate if they are unused.

STRS? I pay 10% of my salary and the district (taxpayers) pays 14% of my salary. Allow me to invest the money as I see fit and I can save the tax payers money by not taking the entire amount. I don't trust STRS to invest the money for me anyway.

I won't give my salary but I've tried to answer your question to the best of my ability. I know you were asking ETB but I here is my info.
Feb 26, 2011 6:00pm
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mella

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Feb 26, 2011 6:10 PM
So what will the plan be to save the Ohio tax payers the other $6.7 Billion? If SB5 can save Ohio $1.3 billion were does the state save money next? If the State can't balance the budget even with the passing of SB5 will everyone be happy with paying more taxes? Frankly I think our state government leaders should set the example and start cutting their own salaries and benefits.
Feb 26, 2011 6:10pm
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Feb 26, 2011 8:01 PM
mella;692821 wrote:So what will the plan be to save the Ohio tax payers the other $6.7 Billion? If SB5 can save Ohio $1.3 billion were does the state save money next? If the State can't balance the budget even with the passing of SB5 will everyone be happy with paying more taxes? Frankly I think our state government leaders should set the example and start cutting their own salaries and benefits.
First of all, I just want to point out that I agree with you - let the government (politicians) people set an example. I don't think anybody will argue with you there. Perhaps some worthy individual, if there is any, will take the initiating step to put that in place.

Secondly, as to what else is going to be done to balance the budget - I'm sure that information can be looked up.

To your prior post: I do not personally "celebrate" that public union workers face anxiety. I just happen to think that 99% of them will do just fine with negotiating and speaking for their own individual selves. No, it is not easy and comfortable to do something that you're not used to doing or haven't done in a long time. That doesn't mean that it is terrible. And it certainly doesn't mean that you will be worse off than you are right now. In fact, it might be even better, depending on what sort of system works itself out.

As an aside, I think it could be worse for public union workers... they could have had a Providence pulled on them.
Feb 26, 2011 8:01pm
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Feb 26, 2011 8:38 PM
LJ;691856 wrote:~$100k in an affluent neighborhood and teaches AP classes and such

I am curious how the pay would work itself out. AP classes are certainly not the end all and be all of secondary education. I teach AP classes and while they are challenging as far as my science and research skills go, the work with my freshmen is also challenging, although in a far different and more difficult fashion. Getting quality teachers in those foundational classes is every bit as important as having AP teachers, perhaps more so. I would think that pay would be closer than expected. Many schools screw this up currently by placing their most experienced teachers in the honors and AP classes (due to seniority) while relegating the new teachers to the 'tough' classes. This seems bass ackwards as those challenging classes likely benefit the most from the best teachers the school has to offer.
Feb 26, 2011 8:38pm
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analogkid

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Feb 26, 2011 8:44 PM
bases_loaded;692810 wrote:WHAT ARE YOUR BENEFITS AND HOW MUCH DO THEY COST YOU A MONTH?

My benefits are similar to mella's. I would add that I currently pay somewhere between 10 and 15% of my health care costs. At my previous school that number was closer to 40%.
Feb 26, 2011 8:44pm
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Feb 26, 2011 9:06 PM
mella;692821 wrote:So what will the plan be to save the Ohio tax payers the other $6.7 Billion? If SB5 can save Ohio $1.3 billion were does the state save money next? If the State can't balance the budget even with the passing of SB5 will everyone be happy with paying more taxes? Frankly I think our state government leaders should set the example and start cutting their own salaries and benefits.

I think $1.3 billion is a great start. Now, they have to take a hard look at entitlements, like Medicaid (which is the biggest cost), along with every other budget for the state, including every agency's costs.

Nobody expected this one bill to solve all the problems for this budget, but it is important to pass because of the cost savings now and (even more importantly) down the road. Once you get the budget hole closed, you've got to keep it closed.
Feb 26, 2011 9:06pm
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Feb 26, 2011 9:34 PM
LJ;692770 wrote:that's $45k if you went 12 months. And you have been working how long?

And don't give me that "but I take classes in the summer" bullshit. People who aren't teachers have to take classes at night while they work full time.

LOL, "don't give me that bullshit."

This fuckin' guy!?
Feb 26, 2011 9:34pm
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Feb 26, 2011 9:37 PM
bases_loaded;692810 wrote:WHAT ARE YOUR BENEFITS AND HOW MUCH DO THEY COST YOU A MONTH?

Be a big boy and look back through thus thread. I posted nearly my whole check.
Feb 26, 2011 9:37pm
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Feb 26, 2011 10:03 PM
Teachers are teh sucks, and our paid to much!
Feb 26, 2011 10:03pm
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Feb 26, 2011 10:16 PM
ernest_t_bass;692964 wrote:LOL, "don't give me that bullshit."

This fuckin' guy!?

Whole lotta nothin. Normal response from u
Feb 26, 2011 10:16pm
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Feb 26, 2011 10:19 PM
LJ;693007 wrote:Whole lotta nothin. Normal response from u

LOL. what the fuck do you want me to respond?

Oh, you had a question. 7th year of teaching.
Feb 26, 2011 10:19pm
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Feb 27, 2011 10:31 AM
And somewhat lost in the shuffle are the union fat-cat salaries, which in effect is costing all of us even more (not to mention a lot of hypocrisy):

http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/02/labor-leaders-living-large/


"For example, Marty Beil, executive director of American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME )Council 24 SEPAC, made $161,847 in 2008 according to the organization’s Form 990. That’s considerably more than the $144,423 a year Scott Walker makes as Wisconsin’s Governor."

"Despite this, Beil has repeatedly attempted to portray Walker as a member of some upper class elite. In December, Beil said Walker’s treatment of state employees was like “the plantation owner talking to the slaves.”

I still can't believe how good teachers/workers get played by shysters like Beil, and do nothing about it, all to the detriment of society as a whole.
Feb 27, 2011 10:31am
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Feb 27, 2011 11:26 AM
sleeper;692609 wrote:Convenient you ignore the benefits package. Most of the studies aren't comparing teachers from the private sector to the public, because everyone knows that private sector teachers are paid substantially less. These Union propaganda studies are comparing public employees with doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, and engineers; clearly not a fair comparison.

You're overpaid, this is going to pass, and I'm going to laugh all the way to the bank.

I work in the 3rd sector douchebag. So you think that there are no doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, and engineers in the public sector? Shows how much you know. There are as probably as many lawyers in the public sector as there are in the private. Ever heard of a public hospital?
Feb 27, 2011 11:26am
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Feb 27, 2011 11:41 AM
Bigdogg;693361 wrote:I work in the 3rd sector douchebag. So you think that there are no doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, and engineers in the public sector? Shows how much you know. There are as probably as many lawyers in the public sector as there are in the private. Ever heard of a public hospital?


I doubt there are anywhere close to being as many lawyers in the public sector as in the private, but I think your point on comp is a fair one. At the highest levels, public sector lawyers make much less than their private sector counterparts (e.g., a Supreme Court Justice makes about as much as a 1st year associate). But there are a lot of intangible ways of compensation that level the field, which is why many people try to leave the private sector in law and move toward the public sector (much better hours, much better job security, no billables, better hands-on experience, etc.). It's really tough to compare compensation in those sorts of cases--generally, it's tougher for someone to end up as an AUSA, for example, than a BIGLAW atty straight out of school, even though the BIGLAW atty has a salary that is at least twice as much. It's clear that there are non-salary forms of compensation that narrow the gap substantially.
Feb 27, 2011 11:41am
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Feb 27, 2011 12:40 PM
fan_from_texas;693369 wrote:I doubt there are anywhere close to being as many lawyers in the public sector as in the private, but I think your point on comp is a fair one. At the highest levels, public sector lawyers make much less than their private sector counterparts (e.g., a Supreme Court Justice makes about as much as a 1st year associate). But there are a lot of intangible ways of compensation that level the field, which is why many people try to leave the private sector in law and move toward the public sector (much better hours, much better job security, no billables, better hands-on experience, etc.). It's really tough to compare compensation in those sorts of cases--generally, it's tougher for someone to end up as an AUSA, for example, than a BIGLAW atty straight out of school, even though the BIGLAW atty has a salary that is at least twice as much. It's clear that there are non-salary forms of compensation that narrow the gap substantially.

Fair enough, but remember that most politicians are also attorneys and the court system at every level employs attorneys. I will default to your knowledge since it's outside my scope of knowledge.

Glad to see LJ is still using selective enforcement of the rules.
Feb 27, 2011 12:40pm
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Feb 27, 2011 12:52 PM
Bigdogg;693423 wrote:Fair enough, but remember that most politicians are also attorneys and the court system at every level employs attorneys. I will default to your knowledge since it's outside my scope of knowledge.

Glad to see LJ is still using selective enforcement of the rules.

How can it be selective when you straight up call someone a douchebag?
Feb 27, 2011 12:52pm
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Feb 27, 2011 12:53 PM
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