Out of state unions have poured tens of millions into their misinformation campaign. It is obvious that the big-time union leaders understand the jig is up and if they lose here it will be completely over for them in a few more years ..... they will have to go out and find a real job. Win or lose next month, the tide has shifted and the truth will ultimately win out. If not, the current $4 trillion in states' unfunded liabilities will simply result in benefit checks bouncing some day down the road, and then the recipients will realize they have been snookered by union greed.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/oct/28/groups-rake-in-more-than-m-in-statewide-/

Hugely powerful and greedy national unions vs. Ohio taxpayers.

“Opponents of Issue 2 have spent an extraordinary, perhaps historic, amount of money to defend their grip on our tax dollars,” spokesman Jason Mauk said in a released statement. “Their finance report reveals a well-funded campaign of scare tactics and deception fueled by the forced union dues of government employees.”
He added, “While we will be dramatically outspent in this contest, we’re committed to waging an aggressive effort in the closing days of the election.”
We Are Ohio said the proponent campaign was backed by out-of-state donors whose contributions were not disclosed to the public."


Incredible. Ohio taxpayers held hostage by national unions ---- what a corrupt bunch of greedy ba&tards.

QuakerOats;948110 wrote:Incredible. Ohio taxpayers held hostage by national unions ---- what a corrupt bunch of greedy ba&tards.

You have it all wrong. National unions are simply insuring that corrupt & greedy taxpayers do not hold their membership hostage. Get it right.

believer;948236 wrote:You have it all wrong. National unions are simply insuring that corrupt & greedy taxpayers do not hold their membership hostage. Get it right.

My bad.

How's this --- if Issue 2 passes all nurses will lose their jobs!

QuakerOats;948243 wrote:My bad.

How's this --- if Issue 2 passes all nurses will lose their jobs!

How's this --- public workers earn 43% more than the rest of US.

21 Page report on the sucess, saving and class size reduction and new tearch hiring all because of Wisconsin Reform Bill Passing a few months ago.

Vote YES on ISSUE II and ISSUE III


http://www.maciverinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Act10Report2.pdf

Voting No and have my entire family and friends. Voting NO. Every person sb5 affects will be getting family/friends to vote this Crap legislation voted down.

Changes needed yes, how the administration stuffed it through the house, senate and the govenor signing into law, HELL NO!

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imex99;948353 wrote:Voting No and have my entire family and friends. Voting NO. Every person sb5 affects will be getting family/friends to vote this Crap legislation voted down.

Changes needed yes, how the administration stuffed it through the house, senate and the govenor signing into law, HELL NO!

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So by voting no, instead of affecting the 7% of people who would be affected, you'd rather hurt the other 93%?

Must be a democrat.

The part of this I'm confused by is the notion that if it passes, the employees will lose the right to bargain over staffing levels. In what kind of bizarro world do the employees get to help decide how many co-workers they're going to have? None that has a prayer of being fiscally sound.

imex99;948353 wrote:Voting No and have my entire family and friends. Voting NO. Every person sb5 affects will be getting family/friends to vote this Crap legislation voted down.

Changes needed yes, how the administration stuffed it through the house, senate and the govenor signing into law, HELL NO!

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Where were you in 1983 when the union-machine democrats rammed through unaffordable collective bargaining, stuffing it through the democrat house, senate and signed by governor Tricky DICK Celeste? Where was your outrage then? In just 25 years that disastrous legislation has bankrupted the state, the cities, and the school districts ..... and you want more of it? What planet do you live on? Oh that's right, you are probably one of the feeders at the public trough. The jig is up.

imex99;948353 wrote:Voting No and have my entire family and friends. Voting NO. Every person sb5 affects will be getting family/friends to vote this Crap legislation voted down.

Changes needed yes, how the administration stuffed it through the house, senate and the govenor signing into law, HELL NO!

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Mofo did you read this report ? http://www.maciverinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Act10Report2.pdf

read it you could learn something more that what your Union boss man tells you.


How can anyone live with themself always taking orders and have people tell them what to think and never questioning it ............. or getting educated about the facts?

QuakerOats;948366 wrote:Where were you in 1983 when the union-macine democrats rammed through unaffordable collective bargaining, stuffing it through the democrat house, senate and signed by governor Tricky **** Celeste? Where was your outrage then? In just 25 years that disastrous legislation has bankrupted the state, the cities, and the school districts ..... and you want more of it? What planet do you live on? Oh that's right, you are probably one of the feeders at the public trough. Th jig is up.

just 25 years lol...

sleeper;948360 wrote:So by voting no, instead of affecting the 7% of people who would be affected, you'd rather hurt the other 93%?

Must be a democrat.

Actually I'm republican and sb5/issue 2 is only issue that I don't agree with... Voted for Kasich and sb5 is only regret.
I'm a state employee and our agency has given back for 3 of my 6 years of employment.

I've had 3 raises in my 6 years...

2 years of cost savings days, insurance and retirement costs have Increased for our agency. Freeze on personal days and our union is already weak/take forever to even try to get a grievance even reviewed. Have agreement with state to only review 1 a month.

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Gblock;948396 wrote:just 25 years lol...

28, lol

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QuakerOats;948366 wrote:Where were you in 1983 when the union-macine democrats rammed through unaffordable collective bargaining, stuffing it through the democrat house, senate and signed by governor Tricky **** Celeste? Where was your outrage then? In just 25 years that disastrous legislation has bankrupted the state, the cities, and the school districts ..... and you want more of it? What planet do you live on? Oh that's right, you are probably one of the feeders at the public trough. Th jig is up.

You folks keep bringing up "Celeste and 25 years ago". Please tell me what, if anything, have Republicans like yourself done since then to do anything about it?

My guess is "absolutely nothing". You didn't care 25 years ago because public employees probably made a hell of a lot less than they do now. Since their salaries have gone up you see them as part of the problem, blaming them for years of fucked-up state government. You can deny it until the cows come home, but it sure seems to me it's nothing more than jealousy, seeing that someone has more than you do. Your response is to take it away from them. How is that any different than your argument against taxing the rich at a higher percentage?

Regardless of how Ohio votes on this issue there will be layoffs. Kasich has made it clear that he plans to balance the state budget by taking away monies that had been sent to local communities. Those that have, will keep on with the local programs and services. The poorer and more rural communities will have to make do with less. Layoffs will come no matter how you vote, so you may as well get used to that simple fact of life.

stlouiedipalma;948407 wrote:You folks keep bringing up "Celeste and 25 years ago". Please tell me what, if anything, have Republicans like yourself done since then to do anything about it?

My guess is "absolutely nothing". You didn't care 25 years ago because public employees probably made a hell of a lot less than they do now. Since their salaries have gone up you see them as part of the problem, blaming them for years of ****ed-up state government. You can deny it until the cows come home, but it sure seems to me it's nothing more than jealousy, seeing that someone has more than you do. Your response is to take it away from them. How is that any different than your argument against taxing the rich at a higher percentage?

Regardless of how Ohio votes on this issue there will be layoffs. Kasich has made it clear that he plans to balance the state budget by taking away monies that had been sent to local communities. Those that have, will keep on with the local programs and services. The poorer and more rural communities will have to make do with less. Layoffs will come no matter how you vote, so you may as well get used to that simple fact of life.

Many of the jobs from 25-30 years ago are gone because both parties didn't have the vision to protect the jobs from going overseas. Both the private and public sectors are hurting because of the job losses.

I am voting yes on Issue 2. The fear campaign by the unions is laughable. The "No More Nurses" commercial is my personal favorite - especially since the vast majority of nurses aren't state employees. Anyway, the school system isn't perfect. But we'll be taking a huge step in the right direction by passing this. If you are a quality teacher, you won't have to worry. And you can say goodbye to losing out to incompetents with seniority. If a company was operated the way our public employees are used to, bankruptcy would be forthcoming. The world is an unsure and risky place. Public employees need to be introduced to this reality.

stlouiedipalma;948407 wrote:How is that any different than your argument against taxing the rich at a higher percentage?

I don't pay the salaries of the rich, other than the executives of companies in which I own stock. I am a shareholder in the public sector.

stlouiedipalma;948407 wrote:You folks keep bringing up "Celeste and 25 years ago". Please tell me what, if anything, have Republicans like yourself done since then to do anything about it?

My guess is "absolutely nothing". You didn't care 25 years ago because public employees probably made a hell of a lot less than they do now. Since their salaries have gone up you see them as part of the problem, blaming them for years of ****ed-up state government. You can deny it until the cows come home, but it sure seems to me it's nothing more than jealousy, seeing that someone has more than you do. Your response is to take it away from them. How is that any different than your argument against taxing the rich at a higher percentage?

Regardless of how Ohio votes on this issue there will be layoffs. Kasich has made it clear that he plans to balance the state budget by taking away monies that had been sent to local communities. Those that have, will keep on with the local programs and services. The poorer and more rural communities will have to make do with less. Layoffs will come no matter how you vote, so you may as well get used to that simple fact of life.

and as benefits and salary go down for public workers it will trickle down to private workers as well further deteriorating our state...private business will also suffer as there will be more people in our state who cant buy anything.

stlouiedipalma;948407 wrote:You folks keep bringing up "Celeste and 25 years ago". Please tell me what, if anything, have Republicans like yourself done since then to do anything about it?

My guess is "absolutely nothing".

So, by taking it in the shorts for 25 years and supposedly not saying anything, that makes it all OK? Gee...since nobody's complained for over 2 decades, they have no right to complain now? With that attitude, why was slavery ever abolished? It had been going on for centuries, so therefore no one should have the right to complain and act for its abolishment? Failed logic.

stlouiedipalma;948407 wrote:Regardless of how Ohio votes on this issue there will be layoffs. Kasich has made it clear that he plans to balance the state budget by taking away monies that had been sent to local communities. Those that have, will keep on with the local programs and services. The poorer and more rural communities will have to make do with less. Layoffs will come no matter how you vote, so you may as well get used to that simple fact of life.

This news just in....the state of Ohio was broke to the tune of $8,000,000,000. The federal bailouts from 2009 and 2010 received by Toothless Ted Strickland meant he did NOT have to make ANY hard decisions on what to cut in order to balance the budget. He was wishing, hoping, and praying that the Obama Keynesians would come through, the state would collect more tax revenue, and thus balance the budget without him making any cuts to any programs or staffing. Turns out the Keynesian miracle never materialized and he's left his successor to deal with his (and Taft's) gutless management of the state's financial situation. Now, Kasich is the axe-aholic, making the HARD choices, and he's the bad guy. He says, "fair enough", but if he can get Ohio's fiscal house in order and leave his successor with a balanced budget and growth opportunities, then he says he's done his job.

The local communities should have the power to decide how much law enforcement, fire fighters, local bridge repairs, education, and art shows showing Jesus in urine they want to pay for. My hunch is that with less revenue, the fat gets trimmed off, the union payouts get curtailed, and necessary programs remain funded. Hell, in Pickerington, there are almost 30 cops on duty....and I have no idea what it is they do. Sure as hell isn't traffic management, based on the inbound and outbound flows during rush hours and Saturdays. Maybe I've got it backwards and there should be 200 cops and they can be stationed at every intersection and event with such gusto there won't be 1 ounce of crime. Of course, there won't be any citizens left due to the strangling taxes and theft of liberty, but who needs them anyways when police protection is the cause?

It can be boiled down to this: I am sick and tired of having my money absconded with by fat cat union lawyers and union 'leaders' in the form of union dues taken out of taxpayer paid union salaries so that these union lawyers and union fat cats can turn around and use that money to negotiate and campaign to steal even more of my money in a never-ending, biased charade rife with corruption and unaccountability. IT'S OVER!

imex99;948405 wrote:Actually I'm republican and sb5/issue 2 is only issue that I don't agree with... Voted for Kasich and sb5 is only regret.
I'm a state employee and our agency has given back for 3 of my 6 years of employment.

I've had 3 raises in my 6 years...

2 years of cost savings days, insurance and retirement costs have Increased for our agency. Freeze on personal days and our union is already weak/take forever to even try to get a grievance even reviewed. Have agreement with state to only review 1 a month.

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Wah wah wah. People are losing their jobs like crazy and you're complaining about pay raises. I hope you vote no on sb5, and then 5 months later they come to you and say "We can't afford your benefits/salary because SB5 didn't pass, here's your pink slip". I hope you don't have family, because they'll be eating ramen for the rest of their life since no one is going to want a lazy worker from the public sector.

imex99;948405 wrote:Actually I'm republican and sb5/issue 2 is only issue that I don't agree with... Voted for Kasich and sb5 is only regret.
I'm a state employee and our agency has given back for 3 of my 6 years of employment.

I've had 3 raises in my 6 years...

2 years of cost savings days, insurance and retirement costs have Increased for our agency. Freeze on personal days and our union is already weak/take forever to even try to get a grievance even reviewed. Have agreement with state to only review 1 a month.

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Geeze, with all you've had to "give back" how can you possibly afford to put food on the table? I mean, only 3 raises in six years (and probably about 4 percent each, I'm guessing). This is the kind of story that must makes you want to weep tears of blood for the poor, downtrodden state employee. :rolleyes:

imex99;948405 wrote:Actually I'm republican and sb5/issue 2 is only issue that I don't agree with... Voted for Kasich and sb5 is only regret.
I'm a state employee and our agency has given back for 3 of my 6 years of employment.

I've had 3 raises in my 6 years...

2 years of cost savings days, insurance and retirement costs have Increased for our agency. Freeze on personal days and our union is already weak/take forever to even try to get a grievance even reviewed. Have agreement with state to only review 1 a month.

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Sounds almost as bad as what the private employees have had to do since 2008.

Many more layoffs than private, most companies not only have frozen pay raises since 2008, but they also made everyone take 10% pay cuts. Most companies suspended the employer contributions to 401k's (aka retirement) forcing people to put more in themselves if they want the same level of retirement. Private industry has had no-pay furlow days, etc.

So please, even though you have probably had it worse than other public employees, you still have not even come close to what most in private industry has had to endure since 2008.

sleeper;948486 wrote:Wah wah wah. People are losing their jobs like crazy and you're complaining about pay raises. I hope you vote no on sb5, and then 5 months later they come to you and say "We can't afford your benefits/salary because SB5 didn't pass, here's your pink slip". I hope you don't have family, because they'll be eating ramen for the rest of their life since no one is going to want a lazy worker from the public sector.

even with SB5 passing, cities wont be able to afford benefits and salaries. more fail.