So we are in debt, but give out shit tons of money to countries like this? I see, it makes perfect sense.

Looks like all the aid and intervention the United States has been providing for the last half century is really working wonders in the Middle East. Can we just cut all ties finally? Fuck them over there, let them have at it. Are we really that dependant on the oil of the ME anymore?

BGFalcons82;656943 wrote:If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Lord Obama want this same power in times of "crisis"...whatever the fuck a "crisis" is defined to be?

If you arent a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem!! Ive never seen Pres Obama even suggest this? GW Bush at minimum, created 75% of this problem!!

Can I get a link for where Count Barrack would like to shut down the internet? (Or did you mean would like to become a dictator for 30 years?)

Never give aid to third world countries .. ... entitlement never works
Good news 1.5 billion cut...

Entitlement = clean drinking water?

september63;657115 wrote:If you arent a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem!! Ive never seen Pres Obama even suggest this? GW Bush at minimum, created 75% of this problem!!

I Wear Pants;657156 wrote:Can I get a link for where Count Barrack would like to shut down the internet? (Or did you mean would like to become a dictator for 30 years?)

This is probably what he's talking about:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

S.773 isn't going anywhere.

I Wear Pants;657199 wrote:S.773 isn't going anywhere.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean nobody wants it to.

O-Trap;657201 wrote:Agreed, but that doesn't mean nobody wants it to.

Precisely. The mere fact that there are people in power who think things like S.773, the Fairness Doctrine, and other such information control tactics are good ideas should frighten the crap out of everyone.

O-Trap;657183 wrote:This is probably what he's talking about:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

Thanks, O-Trap. It was in the news and Obama's czars were pushing for it.

september63 - nice avatar. Now.....who's part of the problem by being ignorant?
I know IWP is usually informed...I wonder how he "missed" this one? Or is it selective ignorance since he's all for Net Neutrality????

I missed that when it happened. I can admit that much. I didnt call anyone ignorant, why did you find the need?

september63;657295 wrote:I missed that when it happened. I can admit that much. I didnt call anyone ignorant, why did you find the need?

A bit of a low blow, but I was inspiried by you calling me part of the problem. My apologies.

On another level, the term, "ignorant" means you simply did not know. It does not always have a negative connotation.

Be careful what you wish for in the situation in Egypt. I see a lot of similarities between this and 1979 in Iran. Getting rid of the strongman really improved things there, didn't it?

When the Wealthy suck the life out of a society this is the end result...Poverty breeds chaos, Greed breeds chaos. Unless we as a society learn how to end or deal with poverty this will always be the end result. America's day is coming one day soon. I hope one day somebody realizes that we were not meant to live the way that we do..."Rob,Kill and Desroy" I'm sorry almost 90% of nations are guilty of these three things. We have no purpose on this planet other than a race for wealth, when our cause becomes more than this ,situations like what is happening in Egypt will cease to exist. Just my 2 cents

I Wear Pants;657199 wrote:S.773 isn't going anywhere.

How about this one?? - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/committee-passes-plan-for-internet-kill-switch-in-egypt-u-s/

It appears to cut across party lines, although Susan Collins is a RINO and Liebermann is a...well....hmmm...ummm....we don't know what Joe is, now do we?

This is an important issue to me because it gives the gubmint the tools to shut down free speech whenever they feel threatened....or a crisis...or some other malevolent "catastrophe" that allows them to shut down people's right to speak freely. I would question the Bill's constitutionality, but then that hasn't stopped Congress and the POTUS in the past.

Hip Hop/Logicbomb;657410 wrote:When the Wealthy suck the life out of a society this is the end result...

Durr......what? Those damn rich people that work too hard and don't wanna give all their money away to the poor. Those Bastards!

^^^^^^^^^^^
That's not what I'm reffering to, I'm speaking of the weathly who's fortunes have come at others expense. .....You need to check your intellect, you lack understanding.

Hip Hop/Logicbomb;657410 wrote:When the Wealthy suck the life out of a society this is the end result...Poverty breeds chaos, Greed breeds chaos. Unless we as a society learn how to end or deal with poverty this will always be the end result. America's day is coming one day soon. I hope one day somebody realizes that we were not meant to live the way that we do..."Rob,Kill and Desroy" I'm sorry almost 90% of nations are guilty of these three things. We have no purpose on this planet other than a race for wealth, when our cause becomes more than this ,situations like what is happening in Egypt will cease to exist. Just my 2 cents

I see someone has been drinking the class warfare kool aid and went back for thirds.

The problem in Egypt has been a CORRUPT MILITARY REGIME that has been pulling the strings for decades. I'd say chances are very good most of our aid doesn't go for clean water, food or any other such stuff. It probably goes into the pockets of corrupt officials -- as it does in most of these God forsaken places. There's little to no way to prove or account for how it's spent.

Hell even the UN can't do it without corruption (see the oil for food scandal that went all the way to the son of the guy running the place).

I have NO problem with cutting most foreign aid to these places. None whatsoever.

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#1 I'm not drinking the class warefare koolaid, the fact is that the World operates on 2 basic principals "Money and Power". Call me whatever you want but we the United States support these "REGIMES" for "OUR" interest, we could give a SH*t about clean water and aid. You really need to see the world for what it is!!! The Military over there is supported by us "OUR" tax dollars. The tear gas, tanks and guns have all been supplied by us. So let me ask you this, Why have we supported this Dictator for the past 30yrs?

Get a clue before you start calling folks Koolaid drinkers......The U.S. does alot of good in the World, but lets not act like we are saints by any figment of the imagination!!!!

Hip Hop/Logicbomb;657436 wrote:Why have we supported this Dictator for the past 30yrs?

So he plays nice in the sandbox with Isreal and the Suez Canal's shipping lanes are not interupted.

majorspark;657439 wrote:So he plays nice in the sandbox with Isreal and the Suez Canal's shipping lanes are not interupted.

Exactly!!

Hip Hop/Logicbomb;657426 wrote:That's not what I'm reffering to, I'm speaking of the weathly who's fortunes have come at others expense. .....You need to check your intellect, you lack understanding.

I always get enjoy a good chuckle when folks who lack spelling and grammar skills slam the intellect and understanding of others.

believer;657229 wrote:Precisely. The mere fact that there are people in power who think things like S.773, the Fairness Doctrine, and other such information control tactics are good ideas should frighten the crap out of everyone.

Agreed, though it's surprising who does apparently support it.

Look at the list of people that get money from a lobby that supports the bill. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s773/money

Interests that support this bill:

* Data processing & computer services Data processing & computer services (close)

Top recipients for ALL supporting interest groups
Name Amount Received Vote On Passage
Sen. Daniel Inouye [D, HI] $28,500
Sen. Richard Shelby [R, AL] $27,200
Sen. Robert Portman [R, OH] $20,550
Sen. Scott Brown [R, MA] $20,050
Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D, MD] $17,800
Sen. John Thune [R, SD] $17,000
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA] $14,250
Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT] $12,250
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] $11,800
Sen. Charles Grassley [R, IA] $11,000

Rep. James Moran [D, VA-8] $62,200
Rep. Gerald Connolly [D, VA-11] $26,650
Rep. Steve Austria [R, OH-7] $19,199
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger [D, MD-2] $17,000
Rep. Allyson Schwartz [D, PA-13] $16,650
Rep. Michael Turner [R, OH-3] $16,200
Rep. Robert Aderholt [R, AL-4] $15,694
Rep. Kay Granger [R, TX-12] $15,600
Rep. Vern Buchanan [R, FL-13] $15,000
Rep. Bennie Thompson [D, MS-2] $13,500
Specific Organizations Supporting S.773

* Information Systems Audit and Control Association
* Coalition Against Domain Name Abuse

Interests that oppose this bill:

* Christian Conservative Christian Conservative (close)
* Republican/Conservative Republican/Conservative (close)
* Consumer groups Consumer groups (close)
* Non-Profits Non-Profits (close)

Top recipients for ALL opposing interest groups
Name Amount Received
Sen. Patrick Toomey [R, PA] $944,589
Sen. Scott Brown [R, MA] $761,837
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] $440,921
Sen. Marco Rubio [R, FL] $428,174
Sen. Jim DeMint [R, SC] $236,207
Sen. John Thune [R, SD] $172,377
Sen. Robert Portman [R, OH] $171,205
Sen. Mark Kirk [R, IL] $117,600
Sen. John McCain [R, AZ] $107,165
Sen. Thomas Coburn [R, OK] $103,406

Rep. Addison Wilson [R, SC-2] $194,781
Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6] $156,822
Rep. Tom Graves [R, GA-9] $150,018
Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23] $138,817
Rep. Allen West [R, FL-22] $119,516
Rep. Paul Broun [R, GA-10] $109,867
Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R, KS-1] $92,658
Rep. Jeff Duncan [R, SC-3] $79,047
Rep. Tom McClintock [R, CA-4] $72,387
Rep. Ken Calvert [R, CA-44] $68,412
Specific Organizations Opposing S.773

* Center for Democracy & Technology
* Electronic Frontier Foundation
* Campaign for Liberty
* American Center for Law and Justice


What's interesting is that several people receive money from both groups that support and oppose the measure. Which just speaks to how intrenched lobbying is in DC.

Hip Hop/Logicbomb;657436 wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

#1 I'm not drinking the class warefare koolaid, the fact is that the World operates on 2 basic principals "Money and Power". Call me whatever you want but we the United States support these "REGIMES" for "OUR" interest, we could give a SH*t about clean water and aid. You really need to see the world for what it is!!! The Military over there is supported by us "OUR" tax dollars. The tear gas, tanks and guns have all been supplied by us. So let me ask you this, Why have we supported this Dictator for the past 30yrs?

Get a clue before you start calling folks Koolaid drinkers......The U.S. does alot of good in the World, but lets not act like we are saints by any figment of the imagination!!!!

Thanks, but I have a clue. Quite a few of them, in fact.

You need to grow up. In the world of diplomacy, you often have to get in bed with folks who you otherwise wouldn't go near. It's how the world works if you want to try and maintain stability and sanity in areas that tend to be neither -- like the Middle East.