vball10set;643145 wrote:not that I have to defend my opinion, but yes, it's very close, and as I stated earlier--we'll see how it shakes out after the game next week

NO, its really not that close.
Johnson is avg 20pts per game, 8rbs and over 2 blocks per game

Mbakwe is avg 13pts, 10 rbs and under 2 blocks per game.


If you check NBA Mock Draft...Johnson is listed anywhere from 1st to 2nd rd. Mbakwe isn't on the radar.

Glad I wasnt the only one who did a double take when i read that haha

centralbucksfan wrote:I disagree about first loss. I think OSU has a better chance of losing at ILL then they do at home vs Purdue. Purdue will be the first BIG game this year at the Schott. The place will be packed and rocking. I look for OSU to step up in this game. Purdue is also coming off a couple of losses. Not playing their best after being on a roll.

Well, I based my prediction on what recent history says, in addition to the chip that will inevitably be on Purdue's shoulder as the Boilermakers head into their toughest game of the season. This is their chance to show the nation that, with or without Robbie Hummel, they are a serious contender to reach Houston.

Recent history.

2010: OSU 72 @ Illinois 53
2008: OSU 74 @ Illinois 58
2007: OSU 62 @ Illinois 44

OSU under Matta at Champaign is as dependable as a John Starks meltdown.

On the other hand, Purdue at the Schott in Columbus is not.

2010: Purdue 60 @ OSU 57

And in both 2009 and 2008, Purdue took the Buckeyes to overtime in Columbus. Though they lost both, the Charging Gene Keadies proved their mettle on the road against arguably the toughest Big Ten team of the past five seasons. Add that past confidence to this current Purdue team's resolve and determination, and you have an upset waiting to happen. If you can call it an upset.

centralbucksfan;643167 wrote:NO, its really not that close.
Johnson is avg 20pts per game, 8rbs and over 2 blocks per game

Mbakwe is avg 13pts, 10 rbs and under 2 blocks per game.


If you check NBA Mock Draft...Johnson is listed anywhere from 1st to 2nd rd. Mbakwe isn't on the radar.

LOL--you really are a piece of work, aren't ya'... believe it or not, you are NOT an expert on all things OSU- you are a person on an internet message board expressing an opnion, just like everyone else on here. And for the record, Mbakwe had 16 points, 12 rebounds and 4 blocked shots vs. OSU, so we'll use these as a measuring stick next Tuesday.

Also, you're right about Mbakwe not being on your mock draft "radar" (yet), but I think you overstated Johnson's stock a little, don't ya' think?

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Mbakwe isn't as good offensively as Johnson, but he's a better defender. I assume that's what this original debate was highlighting.

And yes, Johnson has been All Defense, but he has been able to take advantage of a conference without any back to the basket post players. He is just fine playing against a 5 that he doesn't really have to guard and can use his size to block and alter shots. However, when he is playing against someone who is going to get into his chest, we will see how good of a defender he really is.

vball10set;643581 wrote:LOL--you really are a piece of work, aren't ya'... believe it or not, you are NOT an expert on all things OSU- you are a person on an internet message board expressing an opnion, just like everyone else on here. And for the record, Mbakwe had 16 points, 12 rebounds and 4 blocked shots vs. OSU, so we'll use these as a measuring stick next Tuesday.

Also, you're right about Mbakwe not being on your mock draft "radar" (yet), but I think you overstated Johnson's stock a little, don't ya' think?

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

A piece of work for stating the obvious? Ya, ok. BTW, last year, Johnson 24 @ OSU. His frosh year, he had 30 vs OSU @ OSU. How is that for a measuring stick? I think Mbakwe is a fine player. But he is not on the level of Johnson, nor has he ever been. 20/8 vs 13/10 pretty much says it all.

thedynasty1998;643634 wrote:Mbakwe isn't as good offensively as Johnson, but he's a better defender. I assume that's what this original debate was highlighting.

And yes, Johnson has been All Defense, but he has been able to take advantage of a conference without any back to the basket post players. He is just fine playing against a 5 that he doesn't really have to guard and can use his size to block and alter shots. However, when he is playing against someone who is going to get into his chest, we will see how good of a defender he really is.

good post, and I agree--I should have been more specific when making my original statement

centralbucksfan;643638 wrote:A piece of work for stating the obvious? Ya, ok. BTW, last year, Johnson 24 @ OSU. His frosh year, he had 30 vs OSU @ OSU. How is that for a measuring stick? I think Mbakwe is a fine player. But he is not on the level of Johnson, nor has he ever been. 20/8 vs 13/10 pretty much says it all.

BTW, did Sullinger play last year? I was talking about THIS GAME, THIS YEAR--try and keep up now, ok? :rolleyes:

vball10set;643640 wrote:good post, and I agree--I should have been more specific when making my original statement

So a better defender means he is a better player?

vball10set;643642 wrote:BTW, did Sullinger play last year? I was talking about THIS GAME, THIS YEAR--try and keep up now, ok? :rolleyes:

This YEAR

20/8 vs 13/10

How is that for keeping up.

What Johnson did last year is irrelevant.

From an offensive standpoint, Sullinger will have an easier time scoring against Johnson than he did Mbakwe.

Guys with length/shot blockers can be JUST as much of a problem as guys who can bang with you. Look at Marcus Camby, he was a twig....but he knew how to use his body and had length and could jump. Thus causing problems for players trying to post him up.

Not to mention he's a senior playing against a freshman(if they even match up) and keeps himself out of foul trouble (1.4 fouls per 34 minutes).

Hb31187;643662 wrote:Guys with length/shot blockers can be JUST as much of a problem as guys who can bang with you. Look at Marcus Camby, he was a twig....but he knew how to use his body and had length and could jump. Thus causing problems for players trying to post him up.

Not to mention he's a senior playing against a freshman(if they even match up) and keeps himself out of foul trouble (1.4 fouls per 34 minutes).

Camby is a much better off the ball defender than on ball defender. Same as Johnson.

And yes, you are correct, but Sullinger is just as tall and uses his body better than anyone Johnson has ever played.

thedynasty1998;643671 wrote:Camby is a much better off the ball defender than on ball defender. Same as Johnson.

And yes, you are correct, but Sullinger is just as tall and uses his body better than anyone Johnson has ever played.

Just as tall? Johnson is 6'10", Sully is not quite that big. They stretch him in media program. He is around 6'8" maybe. And Johnson is long. I think Sully will do fine against him as he has the strength and ability to draw fouls. But on other end, if Sully is matched up, I think he could have difficulties defending him with Johnson length. I am going to be curious to see if Matta stays with Lauderdale longer than he has the last few games.
Although we do need to play Iowa and Ill before this game. Ill beat MSU last nite.

centralbucksfan;643645 wrote:This YEAR

20/8 vs 13/10

How is that for keeping up.

indulge me--what does this have to do with Sully vs. Johnson/Mbakwe?

centralbucksfan;643679 wrote:Just as tall? Johnson is 6'10", Sully is not quite that big. They stretch him in media program. He is around 6'8" maybe.

LOL--and they don't stretch Johnson in their media program?

25 JaJuan Johnson 6-10 221 F/C SR Indianapolis, Ind. (Franklin Central)

vball10set;643682 wrote:indulge me--what does this have to do with Sully vs. Johnson/Mbakwe?

It doesn't. But your arguement that Mbakwe is a better player then Johnson. When he isn't an overall better player. That was my point and I backed it up with facts. BTW, Johnson was second team all big ten last year...Mbakwe...nowhere to be found. But what the hell do the coaches know. Done here. Can agree to disagree...

vball, you beat me to it. Sullinger is stretched, but Johnson isn't?

Sullinger 6'9"
Johnson 6'10"

And Sullingers arms are just as long as Johnsons.

cbf, as I stated earlier, I have seen the light and agree that statistically, Johnson is the better player. Now, back to my original point--IMO, I think Mbkawe posed a bigger problem to Sullinger than Johnson will, and I hope to back this up with stats of my own after Tuesday's game.

I would feel comfortable placing a bet of 100 dollars(not with any of you, but if someone bet me in person) that Johnsons wing span is at LEAST a few inches longer than Sullys. Are you guys seeing the same person I am?

And Id bet theres a player in the 4 years Johnsons been @ purdue who is better than sully down low. Dont feel like looking through 4 years of purdue games to find one, but feel free if you want

Hb31187;643721 wrote:I would feel comfortable placing a bet of 100 dollars(not with any of you, but if someone bet me in person) that Johnsons wing span is at LEAST a few inches longer than Sullys. Are you guys seeing the same person I am?

That's probably a safe bet. But Sullinger isn't someone that is going to play over top of someone, so it gets negated a little bit. He is going to create space with his body and often times keeps guys on the ground by keeping contact with them.

Oh and to think I started all this bickering.

Jester;643833 wrote:Oh and to think I started all this bickering.

LOL--not bickering, just discussing

btw, good read... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954004576090390898408786.html

Does anybody know a sight that will have a live stream....... I watched a ton of bengals games on it this year but I can't remember what it was.

Pretty good read. I agree with the statement though, that OSU can not be considered in the top echelon of college basketball until they win a national title.