thedynasty1998;632261 wrote:I'll "except" the fact that you can't "except" the fact that Varejao is arguably overpaid.

Out of all the guys listed, you use Camby and Chandler in your argument rather than all the others that were listed. Makes sense.

Tyson Chandler - 9.0, 9.3, $12.6 - Makes more
Marcus Camby - 6.3. 11.4, $11.7 - Makes more
Okafor - 10.8, 10.0, $11.5 Make more
Brandon Bass - 11.2, 5.4, $4.0 - back up hardly plays (lol fail)
Marc Gasol - 11.5, 7.3, $3.5 - rookie deal
Kris Humphries - 8.5, 9.2, $3.2 - Back up, has never played more than 12 min a game until this year.
Roy Hibbert - 13.2, 8.2, $1.7 - rookie deal
Javale McGee - 9.2, 8.0, $1.6 - rookie deal
Hickson - 10.9, 5.5, $1.5 - rookie deal
Serge Ibaka - 9.7 ppg, 6.7 rpb, $1.2 million - rookie deal


Others worth comparing:
Nene - 15.0, 7.6, $11.3 - makes more
Luis Scola - 19.3, 8.2, $7.7 -makes about the same, plays significantly less defense
Chris Andersen - 5.4, 6.2, $4.5 - back up
Haslem - injured, $3.5 - took less money to stay in miami; back up
DeJuan Blair - 7.1, 6.5, $900k - 2nd round rookie deal

Yeah, almost none are good examples. Why dont you throw in Brian Cardinals deal as well? Dude you're just wrong, AV is a bargain in the NBA. If you'll notice I commented on every player you listed and once again, proven wrong. So nice fail arguement there.

thedynasty1998;632261 wrote:I'll "except" the fact that you can't "except" the fact that Varejao is arguably overpaid.

Out of all the guys listed, you use Camby and Chandler in your argument rather than all the others that were listed. Makes sense.

"arguably" is a good word. I'm a Cavs fan and I can't dispute the argument that Andy is overpaid. I happen to think his contract is a tad higher than it should be, but not as bad as some think. I can see how some people could see it that way though. I'm just not one of them.

hangonsloopy;632270 wrote:"arguably" is a good word. I'm a Cavs fan and I can't dispute the argument that Andy is overpaid. I happen to think his contract is a tad higher than it should be, but not as bad as some think. I can see how some people could see it that way though. I'm just not one of them.

Someone brings some sense to this discussion. To say it's not "arguable" is plain wrong.

thedynasty1998;632296 wrote:Someone brings some sense to this discussion. To say it's not "arguable" is plain wrong.

You can have your opinion, but your reasoning why is idiotic, as explanied earlier by me. Every player example you used showed that they were either on a rookie deal or made considerably more than AV makes, I honestly dont see how you can even continue to argue that his contract isn't fair if not sided in the Cavs favor when compared to other players of his caliber. Perhaps other than not being to admit when you're wrong, which you've routinely displayed as one of your main characterics.

Commander of Awesome;632312 wrote:You can have your opinion, but your reasoning why is idiotic, as explanied earlier by me. Every player example you used showed that they were either on a rookie deal or made considerably more than AV makes, I honestly dont see how you can even continue to argue that his contract isn't fair if not sided in the Cavs favor when compared to other players of his caliber. Perhaps other than not being to admit when you're wrong, which you've routinely displayed as one of your main characterics.

Your main argument is that back ups do not count? And that rookies don't count. My evidence is that there are rookies with the same production making significantly less and a backup with similar stats as a starter tells the story.

Varejao is an energy guy who really hasn't even had great production. I understand what his value is, and my argument is that he's not worth his money. I didn't even bring into the discussion guys who are far more productive that make less money. I tried using guys with similar productivity.

thedynasty1998;632325 wrote:Your main argument is that back ups do not count? And that rookies don't count. My evidence is that there are rookies with the same production making significantly less and a backup with similar stats as a starter tells the story.

Varejao is an energy guy who really hasn't even had great production. I understand what his value is, and my argument is that he's not worth his money. I didn't even bring into the discussion guys who are far more productive that make less money. I tried using guys with similar productivity.

No my arguement is that rookies make less, once their rookie deals expire they will get a significant contract increase based on their production and play. Yes back ups don't count, as AV is a starter and I would rather him than the few back ups listed (Bass, Humphries, etc..). You really don't have a clue.

In reference to Brandon Bass, since when is usually 20+ minutes a game considered hardly playing?

Thats only since they traded Gortat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2745

He's had a couple games below 20 mins, couple games with over 30 mins, but he's usually in the 20's range throughout the entire season.

Commander of Awesome;632269 wrote: Brandon Bass - 11.2, 5.4, $4.0 - back up hardly plays (lol fail)

Haha. He's a starter. He averages 26 minutes a game over the last month and a half. I don't care who got traded, he's earned his playing time.

hangonsloopy;632270 wrote:"arguably" is a good word. I'm a Cavs fan and I can't dispute the argument that Andy is overpaid. I happen to think his contract is a tad higher than it should be, but not as bad as some think. I can see how some people could see it that way though. I'm just not one of them.

I agree. People are too caught up in comparing stats. I know its cliche to say but what alot of what Andy does cant be measured by statistics. His hustle and defense bring alot to the Cavs.

I dont know who started that list of players but I would take Andys defense over anybody on that list, maybe with Camby being the exception.

KR1245;632605 wrote:I agree. People are too caught up in comparing stats. I know its cliche to say but what alot of what Andy does cant be measured by statistics. His hustle and defense bring alot to the Cavs.

I dont know who started that list of players but I would take Andys defense over anybody on that list, maybe with Camby being the exception.

No one else would start a fail list like that, which disputes their own argument other than dynasty, come on you know that, the Cavs idiot troll.

Commander of Awesome;632215 wrote:LMAO way to post almost all rookie players still on their rookie deal. When you stop talking out of your ass, the higher paid players like Chandler, like Camby aren't on their rookie deals which AV isn't on his rookie deal. LOLFAIL as usual, if I havent already dealt it out, you would have earned IPOTW for an OC record lead.

LOL! Good shit. What a moron.

hoops23;632783 wrote:LOL! Good shit. What a moron.

Can't wait for Dynasty to say we're the same poster, thats his go to move when he's been pwned.

So you are still saying that it's not even up for debate whether he's overpaid? Tells me everything I need to know about you.

thedynasty1998;634002 wrote:So you are still saying that it's not even up for debate whether he's overpaid? Tells me everything I need to know about you.

Sure its not "mindboggling"? lolfail.

Commander of Awesome;634007 wrote:Sure its not "mindbollging"? lolfail.

I don't know what "mindbollging" means?

thedynasty1998;634011 wrote:I don't know what "mindbollging" means?

Oh right forgot you're too dumb to notice when a quick typo comes in and lack the ability to infer what it could mean before I have a chance to edit the post. lolfail, but what else should I expect from you, you make shit up all the time to support your arguement then refuse to back it up with any evidence, see JJ Hickson, your faiil posts on AV being overpaid, or your comments that posters on here said that JJ was an all star and MO/AV were hofers. Any other fails you want to complete before noon today?

Commander of Awesome;634025 wrote:Oh right forgot you're too dumb to notice when a quick typo comes in and lack the ability to infer what it could mean before I have a chance to edit the post. lolfail, but what else should I expect from you, you make shit up all the time to support your arguement then refuse to back it up with any evidence, see JJ Hickson, your faiil posts on AV being overpaid, or your comments that posters on here said that JJ was an all star and MO/AV were hofers. Any other fails you want to complete before noon today?

Do you get tired of posting the same bullshit over and over?

And no, I'm not too dumb. But my community college education taught me to proofread a sentence that consists of a whopping four words. To not do so just displays complete laziness. But I'm quite certain you are perfectly satisfied in your lazy and pathetic life.

the fact that one of you guys thought you were discrediting the argument because Brandon Bass "hardly plays" tells me everything I need to know. Somebody doesn't watch the NBA

jordo212000;634128 wrote:the fact that one of you guys thought you were discrediting the argument because Brandon Bass "hardly plays" tells me everything I need to know. Somebody doesn't watch the NBA

This.

jordo212000;634128 wrote:the fact that one of you guys thought you were discrediting the argument because Brandon Bass "hardly plays" tells me everything I need to know. Somebody doesn't watch the NBA

Lol coming for you, excuse me while I LMAO. You've been pwned on here almost as much as gibby/capone so I'll take what you say with a grain of stfu.

Bass was a 3 stringer before this season, after the deal that sent Gortat and Lewis (you guys even know who they are/what deal I am talking about? I dubt it based on you "knowledgable nba posts" /sarcasm) he was then inserted into the starting lineup, so congrats at looking at the last 8 games or whatever. Before he signed his current deal yes he hardly played, so nice fail there. If you'll recall he was signed as a RFA (you know what that means? lmao I bet you have to look it up) Comparing him to AV where AV has been a starter/played on championship teams as a valuable contributer to Brandon fucking Bass is a god damn joke. There's a reason he's paid much less than AV, and he's played a hell of a lot less. He avg 13 min a game last season for crying out loud with 2 rebs and 6 pts. SMH at the idiocy in this thread. /Pwnage.

Jester;634131 wrote:This.

That you agree with that moron on a subject where he clearly doesn't have any knowledge "tells me everything I need to know about you". lolfail, your avatar is right, you're a clown.

lol can't wait to see how the idiot back pedals once again.

The two dip shits, do you guys sit right next to each other all day in the mail room? Or do you at least take separate lunch breaks? Being side by side all day cannot be good for productivity. How many people's mail do you lose on a daily basis?