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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 6, 2011 7:14pm
LOL...cracks me up how fellow Cleveland fans get so emotionally attached to a player (McCoy, Hillis, Cribbs). McCoy sucks people...
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 6, 2011 7:23pm
Reading Bruce Arians comments about the 2002 playoff game against the Steelers tonight made me sick. You can tell he's still really bitter about what Butch Davis pulled that day.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 6, 2011 7:25pm
Davis panicked like a little bitch...firing Foge Fazio and going into a prevent.grodt;1004809 wrote:Reading Bruce Arians comments about the 2002 playoff game against the Steelers tonight made me sick. You can tell he's still really bitter about what Butch Davis pulled that day.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 6, 2011 7:27pm
Pretty much what Arians said. He said they should have been blitzing the hell out of Tommy Maddux. Instead Foge wasn't allowed to call the game and they went prevent and got burned. Fuckin Butch Davis.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 6, 2011 7:30pm
Yep. Defense was effective in the first half and then Davis' nuts shriveled up and disappeared.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 6, 2011 7:48pm
If I had a list of people associated with the Browns that I could sucker punch not including Art Modell, Botch Davis would be near the top of the list.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 6, 2011 7:49pm
At least he gave the Browns their one playoff appearance since coming back.Commander of Awesome;1004838 wrote:If I had a list of people associated with the Browns that I could sucker punch not including Art Modell, Botch Davis would be near the top of the list.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 6, 2011 7:58pm
I've said this before, and not that it's saying much, but Butch Davis was the best coach the Browns have had since the return. Just a piss poor talent evaluator. Damn Andra Davis...
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Dec 6, 2011 8:06pm
BR1986FB;1004801 wrote:LOL...cracks me up how fellow Cleveland fans get so emotionally attached to a player (McCoy, Hillis, Cribbs). McCoy sucks people...
I agree with McCoy not being good enough to start for this team going forward. Disagree with Hillis and Cribbs.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 6, 2011 8:10pm
My point is that all three are easily replaceable but Cleveland fans get way too attached to them like they are all world.Y-Town Steelhound;1004854 wrote:I agree with McCoy not being good enough to start for this team going forward. Disagree with Hillis and Cribbs.
Hillis could be easily replaced in the draft or by signing a Michael Bush in free agency. There are return guys on the roster (Skrine) who have more explosion than Cribbs or a dual threat, like the corner from LSU who is also a return specialist, could be grabbed in the draft. And McCoy? Very easily replaced.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Dec 6, 2011 8:34pm
My comment has nothing to do with being attached to McCoy or any player. I'm willing to let the whole team go if it brings a winner. I was just putting in perspective the comments of a writer who has, in the past, deliberately taken the opposite view just to create controversy. I wouldn't trust him or any other PD writer or editor as far as I could throw them.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 6, 2011 8:36pm
This.Writerbuckeye;1004892 wrote:My comment has nothing to do with being attached to McCoy or any player. I'm willing to let the whole team go if it brings a winner. I was just putting in perspective the comments of a writer who has, in the past, deliberately taken the opposite view just to create controversy. I wouldn't trust him or any other PD writer or editor as far as I could throw them.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 6, 2011 9:00pm
When's Livingston's article about Pat Shurmur showing something coming out?
The way the Cleveland media has carried his water because Mike Holmgren gave him a stamp of approval is utterly disgusting.
They used to Savage Mangini and his caveman style, but that regime looks like Bill fucking Walsh offensively compared to the turds Shurmur squeezes out on a weekly basis.
Where is the reporting and focus on that? Why are he and Holmgren getting a free pass when there are so many other teams in the league improvising and finding ways to make things happen. Why is it only OK to wallow in Cleveland instead of finding a way to make your system work with what you have to work with.
Heckert is a good talent evaluator, but the Holmgren regime is failing at every turn and I wish we could get some media types to start holding these failures accountable.
The way the Cleveland media has carried his water because Mike Holmgren gave him a stamp of approval is utterly disgusting.
They used to Savage Mangini and his caveman style, but that regime looks like Bill fucking Walsh offensively compared to the turds Shurmur squeezes out on a weekly basis.
Where is the reporting and focus on that? Why are he and Holmgren getting a free pass when there are so many other teams in the league improvising and finding ways to make things happen. Why is it only OK to wallow in Cleveland instead of finding a way to make your system work with what you have to work with.
Heckert is a good talent evaluator, but the Holmgren regime is failing at every turn and I wish we could get some media types to start holding these failures accountable.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 6, 2011 10:57pm
Whoa, slow down. I think you're losing focus on just how bad the team was under Erica Womangini. I will take Shurmur and McCoy over Womangini and his 1-11 season any day of the week.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 7, 2011 5:02am
Slight difference. Mangini and his Gestapo tactics had Berea on lockdown from the media so the media bashed him. Holmgren's regime makes Patty Boy the "face of the franchise" and pushes him out there to the media 2-3 times per week. Media doesn't want to bite the hand who feeds it or they may lose access to Berea so they don't bash Shurmur as much. Patty is kind of a "sensitive" guy. See how that works?IggyPride00;1004920 wrote:When's Livingston's article about Pat Shurmur showing something coming out?
The way the Cleveland media has carried his water because Mike Holmgren gave him a stamp of approval is utterly disgusting.
They used to Savage Mangini and his caveman style, but that regime looks like Bill fucking Walsh offensively compared to the turds Shurmur squeezes out on a weekly basis.
Where is the reporting and focus on that? Why are he and Holmgren getting a free pass when there are so many other teams in the league improvising and finding ways to make things happen. Why is it only OK to wallow in Cleveland instead of finding a way to make your system work with what you have to work with.
Heckert is a good talent evaluator, but the Holmgren regime is failing at every turn and I wish we could get some media types to start holding these failures accountable.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 7, 2011 5:07am
Being Steeler week, there's a thread running over on the OBR about the Steeler/Buckeye "fans" and their frontrunning/bandwagoning nature. I'm cutting and pasting a quote from a poster to signify a perfect example of this. Read the very last sentence...
"My barber golfs with a guy who wears an Ohio State hat and has Steeler club covers. My barber asked him "let me ask you something.....if you cheer for the Steelers, why don't you cheer for Penn State?" The guy replied "because I only root for winners."
"My barber golfs with a guy who wears an Ohio State hat and has Steeler club covers. My barber asked him "let me ask you something.....if you cheer for the Steelers, why don't you cheer for Penn State?" The guy replied "because I only root for winners."
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 7, 2011 6:58am
And that pretty much sums up all Steelers fans in Ohio.BR1986FB;1005162 wrote:Being Steeler week, there's a thread running over on the OBR about the Steeler/Buckeye "fans" and their frontrunning/bandwagoning nature. I'm cutting and pasting a quote from a poster to signify a perfect example of this. Read the very last sentence...
"My barber golfs with a guy who wears an Ohio State hat and has Steeler club covers. My barber asked him "let me ask you something.....if you cheer for the Steelers, why don't you cheer for Penn State?" The guy replied "because I only root for winners."
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Sonofanump
Dec 7, 2011 8:19am
Does anyone else find it funny how outgoing and personable Magini is on ESPN (both TV and radio).
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 7, 2011 8:26am
Cribbs said he was a "very nice guy' and I believe Mangini befriended a dying child in the Canal Fulton area so he's not ALL bad. Just a dick as a coach it sounds like.Sonofanump;1005227 wrote:Does anyone else find it funny how outgoing and personable Magini is on ESPN (both TV and radio).
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 7, 2011 8:29am
no because I dont find him funny or personable. I just find a loser.Sonofanump;1005227 wrote:Does anyone else find it funny how outgoing and personable Magini is on ESPN (both TV and radio).
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Dec 7, 2011 8:43am
I'll take mangina back over derpmur
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 7, 2011 8:46am
God...people have forgotten how bad Mangini was. He wasn't the answer and Shurmur, early on, sure as Hell looks like he isn't either. It's like saying "would you rather eat your turd with peanuts or corn in it?" Either way, you're still eating a turd.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Dec 7, 2011 8:52am
I haven't forgotten anything. it's my opinion on the matter. quit getting your panties in a bunch. at this point, i would much rather have mangini with a good offensive coordinator than derpmur at this present moment. derpmur hasn't shown me anything that says he is better than mangini.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 7, 2011 8:58am
Daboll? Because that's likely what we'd be looking at.DeyDurkie5;1005269 wrote: i would much rather have mangini with a good offensive coordinator
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Dec 7, 2011 9:00am
there was at least identity on offense. What's our identity this year? short passes, with no points scored.BR1986FB;1005275 wrote:Daboll? Because that's likely what we'd be looking at.