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Feb 14, 2011 1:58 PM
Commander of Awesome;678136 wrote:This article pissed me off
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/02/solving_a_few_of_the_10_great.html

So, basically, as I thought for awhile, Heckert & Holmgren provided Mangini with the rope and Mangini hung himself with it. I agree with Heckert that Harrison was "going through the motions" but who knows what happens when Hillis missed time with the injury? Maybe the Ghost sees it as his "shot" to redeem himself and takes off? He definitely would have been a nice dumpoff weapon for McCoy.

The Jayme Mitchell thing is a real head scratcher if he was their best pass rusher. The D-Line gave no pass rush whatsoever. Not that rushing the passer is a big part of a 3-4 D-Linemen's expectations but anything would have helped.

Still wonder why Carlton Mitchell never saw the field. Was probably our fastest receiver and from an Insider story on the OBR that I read yesterday it sounded like he had a good grasp of the offense. I know for a fact that Mitchell is busting his ass down in Florida getting ready for the season.

After the fact it seems like Mangini's 2010 was Romeo Part 2 (not playing the guys that COULD have made a splash/impact).
Feb 14, 2011 1:58pm
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Feb 14, 2011 3:41 PM
Good lord....some cornhole over on the OBR is trying to claim that Robiskie is a better receiver than AJ Green because of Robo's college stats. He's also saying that Robo ran a 4.37 at the Combine? C'mon now....Robisikie & Massaquoi look like they are running in cement boots. I have a better chance of pole vaulting over the Empire State Building using just my "johnson" than Robo has of running a 4.37.
Feb 14, 2011 3:41pm
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Feb 14, 2011 5:12 PM
I was wondering why Mitchell didn't get any playing time too....heck when the TE and RB are your leading receivers, why not give the guy a shot.
Feb 14, 2011 5:12pm
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Feb 14, 2011 5:17 PM
BR1986FB;678148 wrote:
After the fact it seems like Mangini's 2010 was Romeo Part 2 (not playing the guys that COULD have made a splash/impact).
Should have actually seen this coming with all the "Mangini" guys he brought in from the Jets, I just don't get why a coach would continue to do so when obviously a winning now precedent has been set more than once.
Feb 14, 2011 5:17pm
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Feb 14, 2011 6:41 PM
I loved the Mitchell pick up in the draft. I was big on him throughout the combine and with his raw talent I felt he would be a little risk high reward kind of guy. I can definitely see him being a Brandon Marshall type player if he realizes his true potential. All of this news about him has me excited for him.
Feb 14, 2011 6:41pm
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Feb 14, 2011 6:47 PM
Could be a Vincent Jackson type deal, just takes a while for him to see the field like it did for Jackson.
Feb 14, 2011 6:47pm
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Feb 14, 2011 6:48 PM
He was being compared to Marcus Colsten (sp?) Of the saints...they picked him in a late round and he had all the ability to be a great wr, just needed some coaching...its obviosuly worked out for them so we have some hope Haha
Feb 14, 2011 6:48pm
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Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM
Fabio;678582 wrote:I loved the Mitchell pick up in the draft. I was big on him throughout the combine and with his raw talent I felt he would be a little risk high reward kind of guy. I can definitely see him being a Brandon Marshall type player if he realizes his true potential. All of this news about him has me excited for him.

Mitchell is a good kid. I talk to him every so often over on Facebook. Real down to Earth and pretty religious (so is former Brown, now Buc, Larry Asante). Not that religion matters as to whether a player will be good or not.
Feb 14, 2011 7:35pm
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Feb 14, 2011 7:57 PM
Not that it counts for anything, but Mitchell seems like a real stand up guy from his twitter account. Seems like he is busting his ass to make this team, so I'm rooting for him to do well.
Feb 14, 2011 7:57pm
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Feb 14, 2011 8:24 PM
Let's hope with this new receivers coach he can keep on improving. I want him to be that "diamond in the rough"

Receiver is a hard position to draft for a number of reasons....but let's hope we can get this group set for a nice run of success in the WCO.
Feb 14, 2011 8:24pm
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Feb 14, 2011 8:54 PM
OQB;678678 wrote:Let's hope with this new receivers coach he can keep on improving. I want him to be that "diamond in the rough"

Receiver is a hard position to draft for a number of reasons....but let's hope we can get this group set for a nice run of success in the WCO.

In my opinion, its so hard to consider a WR a "bust" when you draft them. If there is one single position in football tha'ts entirely dependent on another, its the WR. It doesn't matter if your a lebron james type of talent at WR, if you have no QB, it won't mean much.

But I do have faith in Colt McCoy. I think it would be great if McCoy and Mitchell can develop a rapport with each other.
Feb 14, 2011 8:54pm
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Feb 14, 2011 9:34 PM
Well if a guy drops passes and can't run routes the right way or can't understand/learn the offense....wouldn't he be a bust? lol Just playin a little devils advocate.

I agree though, a QB can make the world of a difference with recievers....just look at the Colts and Patriots for great examples.
Feb 14, 2011 9:34pm
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Feb 14, 2011 10:20 PM
BR1986FB;678327 wrote:Good lord....some cornhole over on the OBR is trying to claim that Robiskie is a better receiver than AJ Green because of Robo's college stats. He's also saying that Robo ran a 4.37 at the Combine? C'mon now....Robisikie & Massaquoi look like they are running in cement boots. I have a better chance of pole vaulting over the Empire State Building using just my "johnson" than Robo has of running a 4.37.

According to this site, Robo ran a 4.51 and Mo Mas ran a 4.6 lol

http://footballsfuture.com/2009/combine/wr.html
Feb 14, 2011 10:20pm
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Feb 15, 2011 5:12 AM
wildcats20;678840 wrote:According to this site, Robo ran a 4.51 and Mo Mas ran a 4.6 lol

http://footballsfuture.com/2009/combine/wr.html

That's more realistic. I was thinking no way is Robo in that "Desean Jackson/Mike Wallace" speed range.
Feb 15, 2011 5:12am
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Feb 15, 2011 11:01 AM
I actually think Robo has a chance to be a better receiver in the WCO than Mo Mas does. I saw flashes of some chemistry between McCoy and Robo last year, and I think all it will take is some more time together (and some decent coaching and play calls) to help that relationship blossom into a very productive one.
Feb 15, 2011 11:01am
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Feb 15, 2011 11:39 AM
Writerbuckeye;679231 wrote:I actually think Robo has a chance to be a better receiver in the WCO than Mo Mas does. I saw flashes of some chemistry between McCoy and Robo last year, and I think all it will take is some more time together (and some decent coaching and play calls) to help that relationship blossom into a very productive one.

I think he should improve because Mangini was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole making Robo & MoMass "stretch the field" type receivers when that is clearly not their skill set. The shorter possession type routes with precise route running should help Robiskie thrive.
Feb 15, 2011 11:39am
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Feb 15, 2011 11:42 AM
BR1986FB;679273 wrote:I think he should improve because Mangini was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole making Robo & MoMass "stretch the field" type receivers when that is clearly not their skill set. The shorter possession type routes with precise route running should help Robiskie thrive.

Holmgren and Heckert have said in the past that they thought our WRs were better than the stats shows, which at the time coming from Holmgren seemed to pwn Dumboll.
Feb 15, 2011 11:42am
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Feb 15, 2011 11:48 AM
DaBrowns posted an article he wrote on Hecket and the Eagles WR drafting strategy a while ago. It appears Green does not fit their WR mold for the WCO that heckert and co usually draft. His logic makes sense, if green is there I wouldn't be shocked if they passed even if he was the best on the board.
Feb 15, 2011 11:48am
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Feb 15, 2011 12:19 PM
Commander of Awesome;679283 wrote:Holmgren and Heckert have said in the past that they thought our WRs were better than the stats shows, which at the time coming from Holmgren seemed to pwn Dumboll.

Which implies that you should refer to Daboll's playbook that I posted a few pages back. :D
Feb 15, 2011 12:19pm
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Feb 15, 2011 12:27 PM
BR1986FB;674512 wrote:

lol how did I miss this.
Feb 15, 2011 12:27pm
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Feb 15, 2011 9:35 PM
Mo Mass and Robo will do well in this offense.....no doubt! Heckert is going to get that one special reciever that stretches the field (Greg Jennings type a guy)

I would love to get Titus Young/Austin Pettis from Boise...
Feb 15, 2011 9:35pm
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Feb 16, 2011 8:39 AM
OQB;679912 wrote:Mo Mass and Robo will do well in this offense.....no doubt! Heckert is going to get that one special reciever that stretches the field (Greg Jennings type a guy)

I would love to get Titus Young/Austin Pettis from Boise...
+1. i love titus young. i watched boise play a lot of football games. hes a desean jackson type player. (speed wise)
Feb 16, 2011 8:39am
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Feb 16, 2011 1:12 PM
I keep seeing new mocks with Peterson (LSU) falling to the Browns at #6. Have even seen a few where the Browns passed on him and Peterson was taken at #7. Can't say I'd have an issue with Dixon & Minnifield 2.0 (Haden & Peterson) back there.
Feb 16, 2011 1:12pm