Writerbuckeye;1006437 wrote:Like I keep saying: how do you fairly evaluate McCoy or any QB when they have ZERO weapons around them and a line that has been nothing short of putrid most of the season?

What I see happening is so typical of how the Browns have been operated since the return it would be laughable if not so utterly pathetic.

They will likely make a quick decision one way or another on McCoy and get it wrong. You can see it coming.

like_that;1006701 wrote:Its just a knee jerk front office pretty much. Seems people forget that McCoy was practically a rookie this year, and he had no off season to adjust to a new coach, nor a new system. Everyone wants to win now. I think we need to realize this process is going to take much longer to turn it around. You can't worry about what other teams are doing, every situation is different.
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BR1986FB;1006868 wrote:That's such a bullshit excuse and it's not just you. Guys like Tebow, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton and even recently, Christian Ponder, have looked pretty good and they are "rookies with new coaches and new systems."

McCoy doesn't have the most talent around him, that I'll admit, but he has had plenty of opportunities and when he has, he's done himself no favors with his play. That has been my bone of contention all along. His supporting cast isn't stellar but he's done NOTHING, in his opportunities, CONSISTENTLY to show that he's a starting/winning NFL QB. People need to quit making excuses for a 3rd round QB.

like_that;1006913 wrote:It's not a bullshit excuse. What do the other QBs have to do with McCoy? Absolutely nothing. Everyone comes into a different situation. Ponder is a stretch, because I don't think he has looked well at all, and when it comes down to it, that was a wasted draft pick. Dalton has done just enough to allow the rest of his team to win games. You should also consider the Bengals haven't beaten a winning team, and Dalton is benefiting from Cedric running as well as he did in 2009. You can't discredit what a running game does for your QB, no matter how good or shitty he is. Ask Yates at Houston and Smith in SF. As for Tebow, come on.....

Everyone was very high on Sanchez during his rookie year. What has it been like for him since then? All I have seen is people trash him, and discredit anything positive he does by giving all the credit to the defense.

I am not trying to be a McCoy apologist, because at times he does look like complete shit, however he does she some flashes, and he is honestly the first QB Cleveland has had that I believe wants to succeed, and will put in all the work in time to succeed. You might be sick of people apologizing for McCoy, but im sick of Cleveland fans ready to throw a QB under the bus if he doesn't look like Aaron Rodgers after 8 games. This team has been put into a shitty situation with years of incompetent management. With Heckert, I see they are finally going into a direction. Cleveland fans need to learn the word "patience." I say give McCoy another year, with a true off season to see what he can do. If he doesn't improve, then pull the plug. Maybe sign a decent vet to be a backup just in case McCoy doesn't get it done.

DeyDurkie5;1006927 wrote:yes sir. Give mccoy a line, at least one weapon, and a runnin game and he will succeed. ill bet the bank on it

BR1986FB;1006931 wrote:Because you're SO successful in your bets! :laugh: j/k

BR1986FB;1006948 wrote:True, Durkie.

The McCoy excuses ARE bullshit. He's played more than a season so he's not a "rookie." Every other "rookie" QB came into the same situation (green to the offenses, coaches, etc) and they seem to be thriving. He had a taste of it last season and his performance has regressed. He's a THIRD fucking round QB, people...his chance of success was a coin flip to begin with.

BR1986FB;1006964 wrote:"All aboard !!! The 'excuse train' is a comin !"

like_that;1006975 wrote:I think your high expectations at the beggining of the season (3000+ yd season), is why you are so hard on him now lol.

BR1986FB;1006964 wrote:"All aboard !!! The 'excuse train' is a comin !"

Commander of Awesome;1007000 wrote:I'd say Rodgers as well.

DeyDurkie5;1006990 wrote:so pretty much what you are saying is you want colt to be peyton manning, in his 2nd year(first ful year)? gotcha.

BR1986FB;1007063 wrote:Ummm, no. I want him to be a QB who progresses, instead of regresses, in his 2nd year from his first. If I saw progression & promise I'd be ALL for moving ahead with him. I don't see that.

Haha...and the offense is a few players away on the O-Line (two and one could be Steinbach) and at WR (probably 2) from being more than adequate. They don't need a QB that can't make all of the throws, reacts slowly and telegraphs his throws.

Putting a Barkley or RG3 in there with the same upgraded tools won't necessarily impede them. We are of a difference of opinion that they upgrade around McCoy and he'll be a "winner." You say "yes" while I disagree.