centralbucksfan;617631 wrote:The NCAA won't give a rats ass if they sit or not. Greene got 4 games. I don't know if Georgia appealed that or not. So its highly unlikely, no matter what..that OSU won't win the appeal. And if they do, at most it will probably only be one game.

The NCAA cares a lot more than a rats ass if they play in the Sugar Bowl, face it, they should have been sat for it by the NCAA. The fact that they didn't, lame senior excuse aside, proves they're only interested in the money. The Sugar Bowl lobbying for their playing time further proves where the NCAA's interests lie.

ytownfootball;617640 wrote:The NCAA cares a lot more than a rats ass if they play in the Sugar Bowl, face it, they should have been sat for it by the NCAA. The fact that they didn't, lame senior excuse aside, proves they're only interested in the money. The Sugar Bowl lobbying for their playing time further proves where the NCAA's interests lie.

This. It's so unbelievably transparent what's going on, that it's insulting to the fans intelligence that OSU, the NCAA, or anyone else suggests these guys are playing the Sugar Bowl for any reason other than money.

Of course, this is the same organization that claims there isn't a playoff because it would hurt academics...

So would it be fair if Tress sat them for the bowl game and the NCAA reduced their suspensions to 4 games next season?

Tressel absolutely should not sit them for the Sugar Bowl. His obligation is to The Ohio State University and its collective fanbase. If the NCAA deems their punishment to be appropriate, then so be it. It should not be his prerogative to deem what is morally right or wrong to do in this situation. He is a football coach who is paid handsomely to win football games. If the NCAA allows the players to play (for whatever reason) then play the players that are eligible.

ccrunner609;617531 wrote:First off, Fuck you douchebag.

Second, sure they should play. THe NCAA said they were allowed. Why cant the NCAA, OSU and BCS use these kids as their own personal slaves to make hundreds of millions of dollars?

Ha slaves? They get to get a top notch degree for free and are essentially set for a comfortable life for free. Lol this isn't some indentured servant thing goin on

Jim Tressel's decision should be completely independent of the NCAA. I have said all along those kids should not play in the Bowl game and if Spielman is right in that Tressel isn't playing them than I have a tremendous amount of respect for the Coach.

He should make this decision because it's the right thing to do no matter how it may look for the appeal process.

The Sugar Bowl will take Ohio State any time they could get them. I have to base that off what the CEO of the game said yesterday.

At the end of the day, I think they play the entire game and go with what has been given out.

I heard Cris say this and couldn't agree more with him, I guess it all comes down to what means more to Tressel....beating an SEC team, or punishing his players. Knowing his tendancies, I say they sit for atleast 2 quarters, hopefully they get benched the whole game, but we will all see January 4th what happens.

this is driving me crazy--it's CHRIS Spielman, not to be confused with CRIS Carter...that's better

wildcats20;617538 wrote:Yeah.

They did come out today and defend their decisions with the OSU and Auburn issues. Saying they deny playing favorites....
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5966515

lulz

The NCAA doesnt play favorites? Okay.

Classyposter58;617819 wrote:Ha slaves? They get to get a top notch degree for free and are essentially set for a comfortable life for free. Lol this isn't some indentured servant thing goin on

That's only if they attend class and actually study towards a degree. We all know the graduation rate for these over-hyped players. Most are only killing time until they are draft eligible.

UncleYoder;617930 wrote:That's only if they attend class and actually study towards a degree. We all know the graduation rate for these over-hyped players. Most are only killing time until they are draft eligible.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Not their fault they don't take advantage of the opportunity.

as I posted on another thread, IMO, Coach Tressel will suspend these players for at least a half for the Sugar Bowl, but won't announce it until right before the game...it would be a proactive move in hopes the NCAA will reduce the five game suspension by showing "good faith" (for lack of a better term). To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the OSU powers-that-be have already spoke to the NCAA about this and he sits them for the entire game--but only if the NCAA gave some type of assurance that this move would go a long way in their decision to reduce the suspension.

ytownfootball;617640 wrote:The NCAA cares a lot more than a rats ass if they play in the Sugar Bowl, face it, they should have been sat for it by the NCAA. The fact that they didn't, lame senior excuse aside, proves they're only interested in the money. The Sugar Bowl lobbying for their playing time further proves where the NCAA's interests lie.

2kool4skool;617663 wrote:This. It's so unbelievably transparent what's going on, that it's insulting to the fans intelligence that OSU, the NCAA, or anyone else suggests these guys are playing the Sugar Bowl for any reason other than money.

Of course, this is the same organization that claims there isn't a playoff because it would hurt academics...

I agree 100%. What a joke that they get to play in the bowl.

I like Spielman, but he's full of crap on this one.

JT isn't going to sit these guys. The team voted unanimously to let them play -- so they'll play.

I honestly don't get why people are so damn upset that they will play in this game. They're going to miss at least a few games next season (I'm hoping that ridiculous suspension gets lowered to 2 or 3); that's still overkill for the "crime" they committed.

The NCAA and its draconian and inequitable way of dealing with student athletes gets more disgusting all the time. They wuss out on the Cam Newton thing, but come crashing down hard on OSU for something that's not even on the radar of infractions that give teams some type of advantage.

This rule is stupid, and the punishment is completely out of line with the offense.

I'd rather Spielman talk about that than give any credibility to that sham organization overseeing college athletics.

Writerbuckeye;619717 wrote:I like Spielman, but he's full of crap on this one.

JT isn't going to sit these guys. The team voted unanimously to let them play -- so they'll play.

I honestly don't get why people are so damn upset that they will play in this game. They're going to miss at least a few games next season (I'm hoping that ridiculous suspension gets lowered to 2 or 3); that's still overkill for the "crime" they committed.

The NCAA and its draconian and inequitable way of dealing with student athletes gets more disgusting all the time. They wuss out on the Cam Newton thing, but come crashing down hard on OSU for something that's not even on the radar of infractions that give teams some type of advantage.

This rule is stupid, and the punishment is completely out of line with the offense.

I'd rather Spielman talk about that than give any credibility to that sham organization overseeing college athletics.

did the ncaa wuss out with A J Green? and did the ncaa lower the suspension in his case? if they didnt lower it for green why should they lower it for some buckeyes?

Well, there is one BIG difference with Green's case -- it involved an agent. The NCAA loathes agent involvement with student athletes.

That said, I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DID WITH GREEN.

This case with OSU is a sham. These guys sold their own stuff. How does that give them an advantage on the field? Now, shopping your kid for $180,000, when that kids is as talented as Cam Newton, is DEFINITELY trying to gain an advantage. The SEC knew about that for months before they even started to think about acting, and the NCAA just shrugged it off.

If you can't see the ridiculousness of these two situations and the horrible inequity of the decisions made, then I hold out no hope for you.

Tressel said these player's playing time in the Sugar Bowl will be based on how they practice, just like the decison on playng time in any game.

Writerbuckeye;619749 wrote:Well, there is one BIG difference with Green's case -- it involved an agent. The NCAA loathes agent involvement with student athletes.

That said, I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DID WITH GREEN.

This case with OSU is a sham. These guys sold their own stuff. How does that give them an advantage on the field? Now, shopping your kid for $180,000, when that kids is as talented as Cam Newton, is DEFINITELY trying to gain an advantage. The SEC knew about that for months before they even started to think about acting, and the NCAA just shrugged it off.

If you can't see the ridiculousness of these two situations and the horrible inequity of the decisions made, then I hold out no hope for you.

green sold his jersey to chris hawkins a former unc player, who claimed to be a collector of jerseys. the ncaa deemed hawkins to be a agent. but that doesnt mean he is one. if he is a agent who does he represent? it seems the only ones that claim he is a agent is the ncaa. didnt green sell his own stuff just like the osu players?

KnightRyder;619896 wrote:green sold his jersey to chris hawkins a former unc player, who claimed to be a collector of jerseys. the ncaa deemed hawkins to be a agent. but that doesnt mean he is one. if he is a agent who does he represent? it seems the only ones that claim he is a agent is the ncaa. didnt green sell his own stuff just like the osu players?

Isn't the punishing party's opinion the only one that matters? So if they said he was an agent, well then, he was an agent in that case when it comes to punishment.

KnightRyder;619896 wrote:green sold his jersey to chris hawkins a former unc player, who claimed to be a collector of jerseys. the ncaa deemed hawkins to be a agent. but that doesnt mean he is one. if he is a agent who does he represent? it seems the only ones that claim he is a agent is the ncaa. didnt green sell his own stuff just like the osu players?

OBVIOUSLY he hoped to start his career by representing Greene.