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Dec 23, 2010 12:48 PM
People are quick to judge. These players sold their property for a profit. Isn't that the American way?
Dec 23, 2010 12:48pm
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mallymal614

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Dec 23, 2010 12:48 PM
se-alum;611488 wrote:Assuming the 5 game suspension stands:

Herron - Gone. Too much talent behind him to find his way back on the field after missing 5 games
Pryor - Gone. 5-7 round if he's drafted at all.
Adams - Gone. I could see him goin 3rd-5th rounds in the draft.
Posey - Gone. Probably somewhere around a 3rd rounder.

None of these guys are going to improve their draft status playing in 7 games next year. Might as well take their shot at the combine this year, and move on. Not to mention, I don't think most OSU fans want them back anyhow.

Agree! As a fan I would hate to see them go. But from a business (no pun intended) standpoint, this is a move they probably would have to make. I personally think their stock can only worsen playing in just 7 games. Especially when it takes a couple a games to Gel, which gives draft experts to nit pick more flaws in your game.
Dec 23, 2010 12:48pm
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mallymal614

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Dec 23, 2010 12:50 PM
Players must be accountable for their actions. So I won't say nothing should be done. But I believe should be suspended just two games. The Bowl game coming up and the first game of next year.
Dec 23, 2010 12:50pm
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Dec 23, 2010 12:51 PM
Oh noes, how on earth are they going to beat Akron and Toledo now? ;)

Come on now fellas, people calling for a 5-7 year in 2011 is absurd, especially with just those two teams listed. University of Miami (FL) at Coral Gables could be slightly more difficult, but with a new coach and losing recruits and the talent they already had, I don't see this being a loss either. I see nothing short of a 8 win season next year for the team from Columbus.
Dec 23, 2010 12:51pm
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Dec 23, 2010 12:53 PM
mallymal614;611504 wrote:Players must be accountable for their actions. So I won't say nothing should be done. But I believe should be suspended just two games. The Bowl game coming up and the first game of next year.

I agree. I think they should be suspended for the bowl game.
Dec 23, 2010 12:53pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Dec 23, 2010 12:54 PM
"Second, Just a question. I wouldn't never sell those items but aren't they theirs why can they not sell them?"

Because if that was permitted, schools could give recruits a $20,000 diamond ring with a band with the school's logo on it and "wink wink" - amateur athletes can't be paid while they are amateurs, which includes receiving money from non-cash gifts. If they get gifts while in school, they can sell them later without any problem.
Dec 23, 2010 12:54pm
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charliehustle14

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Dec 23, 2010 12:55 PM
Prescott;611499 wrote:People are quick to judge. These players sold their property for a profit. Isn't that the American way?

This is where I'm torn. They are stupid as shit, but this is America and we've all been raised to be capitalists.

Tell one college kid that he can sell his Big 10 ring for $2,500 and tell me he doesn't turn that down. Especially if he comes from a poor background. Soon enough, he's telling all his friends on the team who are also hard up for extra cash.
Dec 23, 2010 12:55pm
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Dec 23, 2010 12:58 PM
The players are NOT suspended for the Sugar Bowl because there is to much time invested and MONEY to be made off these athletes --- Kind of ironic huh?
Dec 23, 2010 12:58pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Dec 23, 2010 12:58 PM
"Tell one college kid that he can sell his Big 10 ring for $2,500 and tell me he doesn't turn that down."

Per my post above, he's welcome to sell it when he's no longer an amateur.
Dec 23, 2010 12:58pm
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Dec 23, 2010 12:59 PM
Because if that was permitted, schools could give recruits a $20,000 diamond ring with a band with the school's logo on it and "wink wink" - amateur athletes can't be paid while they are amateurs, which includes receiving money from non-cash gifts. If they get gifts while in school, they can sell them later without any problem.
If this is true and I am sure it is, what stops a school from awarding championship cars instead of rings?
Dec 23, 2010 12:59pm
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Dec 23, 2010 12:59 PM
these dickweeds get a free ride in school, dont pay for rent or books or food, and get a monthly stipend. They aren't hard-up for cash. It's a bullshit excuse.
Dec 23, 2010 12:59pm
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mallymal614

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Dec 23, 2010 1:00 PM
Well look on the bright side. Now we get to hear Spielman rant on his radio show coming up. lol.
Dec 23, 2010 1:00pm
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Dec 23, 2010 1:00 PM
Fuck 'em all

If they're going to sell all their stuff that means so much to players past, present and future then they have zero respect for being in Columbus. I don't care if they don't play in the Sugar bowl.
Dec 23, 2010 1:00pm
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Dec 23, 2010 1:00 PM
Here is what I would do
1) take the redshirt off Rod Smith for the Bowl game if he is half as good as everyone is saying he will not play 4 years anyway.
2) Guiton starts at QB
3) none of these guys even dress for the Sugar Bowl, cut them loose today
Dec 23, 2010 1:00pm
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charliehustle14

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Dec 23, 2010 1:03 PM
mallymal614;611522 wrote:Well look on the bright side. Now we get to hear Spielman rant on his radio show coming up. lol.

FTW
Dec 23, 2010 1:03pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Dec 23, 2010 1:03 PM
Prescott;611519 wrote:If this is true and I am sure it is, what stops a school from awarding championship cars instead of rings?

There are limits even for swag. $500 limit for bowl games. As for jewelry, I'm unsure what the limit is but I'm certain a limit exists.
Dec 23, 2010 1:03pm
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Dec 23, 2010 1:07 PM
Scarlet_Fever;611475 wrote: Finally, the NCAA are such hypocrites and I'm not even going to get into Cam Newton. What I'm talking about is why are they eligable to play in the Sugar Bowl. Why because the NCAA will lose money if these guys aren't going to play in that game. The NCAA needs to be investigated for corruption.

I thought about that too. Newton's dad tried to get $180,000 for his family (and might have, we still don't know) and that is a NCAA violation. However the NCAA chose not to enforce the rules for whatever reason. Now these guys guys hawk some uniforms and memorabilia and get 5 games? Something isn't right there.

However I also kind of chuckled when the NCAA ruled that they could still play in the bowl game. What a joke.

I have zero sympathy for any of these guys though. I wouldn't mind if the NCAA suspended them the rest of the year. I am shocked at how little those guys valued the stuff they earned on the field. Big 10 championship rings and gold pants? Are you serious? Apparently that stuff didn't mean as much to them as it does to us fans.
Dec 23, 2010 1:07pm
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Dec 23, 2010 1:07 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;611518 wrote:"Tell one college kid that he can sell his Big 10 ring for $2,500 and tell me he doesn't turn that down."

Per my post above, he's welcome to sell it when he's no longer an amateur.

Yeah I know. But what I'm saying is that at the time they were 18 or 19 years old and throwing $2,500 in front of them is something that they will not easily pass up. Doesn't make it right or legal, but it's also not fair to say that's an easy decision for a teen.
Dec 23, 2010 1:07pm
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Dec 23, 2010 1:08 PM
I thought Posey was leaving before, so now I'm fairly certain he will be gone. If I had to guess on the others, I think they all go sans Soloman Thomas.
Dec 23, 2010 1:08pm
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Prescott

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Dec 23, 2010 1:09 PM
I'm unsure what the limit is but I'm certain a limit exists.
You referenced 20k. Where did that come from?
Dec 23, 2010 1:09pm
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mallymal614

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Dec 23, 2010 1:11 PM
Anthony Rothman said these guys likely had intentions of going Pro anyways. Because out of all the years he been covering the program, just about everyone who left early, start with signing 'autographs' because they know they can start receiving profit from it.
Dec 23, 2010 1:11pm
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Dec 23, 2010 1:17 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;611511 wrote:Because if that was permitted, schools could give recruits a $20,000 diamond ring with a band with the school's logo on it and "wink wink" - amateur athletes can't be paid while they are amateurs, which includes receiving money from non-cash gifts. If they get gifts while in school, they can sell them later without any problem.

I really don't see the difference in getting paid or getting jewelry. But this was dumb. You can't tell me they didn't know the rules. If they didn't someone should be getting their ass chewed. I just don't believe it. I get letters in the mail telling me what I can and can't give to athletes. I've given a little money to OSU and bought tickets, but that's about it. I can't believe they don't have it drilled into their heads.
Dec 23, 2010 1:17pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Dec 23, 2010 1:21 PM
Prescott;611541 wrote:You referenced 20k. Where did that come from?

It was an example of why student-athletes aren't allowed to sell their equipment...the number might as well have been $2,000 or $200,000.

The number is irrelevant. The rule is pretty simple and is a priority for athletic departments to discuss with athletes - to maintain amateur status one must remain an amateur. There are rules, some likely more stringent than selling "property" - student athletes can't even sell themselves for commercial purposes. This is what got Jeremy Bloom in a bind a few years ago. If one wants to disagree with them, ok. But they are very clear and these are clear violations.
Dec 23, 2010 1:21pm
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Dec 23, 2010 1:22 PM
jordo212000;611536 wrote: I have zero sympathy for any of these guys though. I wouldn't mind if the NCAA suspended them the rest of the year. I am shocked at how little those guys valued the stuff they earned on the field. Big 10 championship rings and gold pants? Are you serious? Apparently that stuff didn't mean as much to them as it does to us fans.
I figure this should have been bolded. Rather than the first 5 games of the season, how about the first five Big Ten games?
Dec 23, 2010 1:22pm
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