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Dec 11, 2010 11:20 PM
september63;596790 wrote:Are you both sure? The G.W. Bush Library is opening on the SMU campus soon.
It was H.W. in the movie. He was VP at the time, campaigning for Clements.
Dec 11, 2010 11:20pm
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Dec 11, 2010 11:31 PM
Tiernan;595641 wrote:Dickerson and James already trying to distance themselves from the revelations that will be depicted.

James was on ESPN earlier this week and he said he would be lying if he said he had never received a $100 handshake
Dec 11, 2010 11:31pm
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Dec 11, 2010 11:37 PM
The program was a mess and needed to be smacked down to reality.

I don't buy the "everyone else was doing it" excuse. Have some integrity. Also, I don't respect anyone who doesn't come clean about the past to be a part of the current team. Until a player like Dickerson comes clean, he should not be allowed near the team.

There is no honor in winning when the team is blatantly cheating.

Am I naive enough to think they were the only team? No, but it still does not begin to justify their actions.
Dec 11, 2010 11:37pm
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Dec 11, 2010 11:38 PM
Hb31187;596748 wrote:Craig James was and still is a cunt
^^I always liked him as a player. Some of the things that happened or were revealed through his son's little ordeal make this statement seem pretty accurate.
september63;596729 wrote:Craig James is a hypocrite!! Blasting Tex Tech and Mike Leach regarding his son, yet being a part of this SMU mess!!

Eh, they are two completely different things. He isn't a hypocrite - in both cases he felt entitled. He's basically just a selfish assfuckface. But there are plenty of those at the highest level in sports.
Dec 11, 2010 11:38pm
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Dec 11, 2010 11:42 PM
I remember all of this going down, when Tm Brokaw was talking college football on the nightly news you knew there was some major shit going down. I was in college though, and we all just basically laughed about it, they had it coming was a recurring theme. I didn't realize at the time and never looked into as in depth as 30-30 did though. Holy shit did they have it coming.

I forgot how bad-ass Dickerson was at SMU. I remember him as a Ram, but he was pure punishment wearing #19 at SMU.

Death penalty will never be handed out again. It cause them to lose two seasons and broke up the SWC...they would never impose that penalty again under any circumstances. I have to agree that SMU certainly did deserve it though.
Dec 11, 2010 11:42pm
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Dec 11, 2010 11:46 PM
ytownfootball;596892 wrote:I remember all of this going down, when Tm Brokaw was talking college football on the nightly news you knew there was some major shit going down. I was in college though, and we all just basically laughed about it, they had it coming was a recurring theme. I didn't realize at the time and never looked into as in depth as 30-30 did though. Holy shit did they have it coming.

I forgot how bad-ass Dickerson was at SMU. I remember him as a Ram, but he was pure punishment wearing #19 at SMU.

Death penalty will never be handed out again. It cause them to lose two seasons and broke up the SWC...they would never impose that penalty again under any circumstances. I have to agree that SMU certainly did deserve it though.

I've commented a few times when this topic has come up on here, people who didn't remember or didn't know all the details look at it as how the NCAA killed SMU and how far it set them back and how it was such a lesson for the NCAA....as though they were the bad guy. SMU screwed SMU, plain and simple.
Dec 11, 2010 11:46pm
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Dec 11, 2010 11:52 PM
ytownfootball;596892 wrote: Death penalty will never be handed out again. It cause them to lose two seasons and broke up the SWC...they would never impose that penalty again under any circumstances. I have to agree that SMU certainly did deserve it though.

Never say never. In this day and age, though, most schools should know better than to toe that line.
Dec 11, 2010 11:52pm
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Dec 11, 2010 11:54 PM
enigmaax;596900 wrote:I've commented a few times when this topic has come up on here, people who didn't remember or didn't know all the details look at it as how the NCAA killed SMU and how far it set them back and how it was such a lesson for the NCAA....as though they were the bad guy. SMU screwed SMU, plain and simple.

Hell when the subject of USC and the notion of "loss of institutional control" came up, and a lot of people were beginning to clamor for the death penalty to be levied against them...it was kinda hard to believe. SMU continued along with business as usual...USC though clearly violating rules, came no where close to thumbing their noses at the NCAA like SMU did, not even close.
Dec 11, 2010 11:54pm
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Dec 12, 2010 12:00 AM
ytownfootball;596892 wrote:I remember all of this going down, when Tm Brokaw was talking college football on the nightly news you knew there was some major shit going down. I was in college though, and we all just basically laughed about it, they had it coming was a recurring theme. I didn't realize at the time and never looked into as in depth as 30-30 did though. Holy shit did they have it coming.

I forgot how bad-ass Dickerson was at SMU. I remember him as a Ram, but he was pure punishment wearing #19 at SMU.

Death penalty will never be handed out again. It cause them to lose two seasons and broke up the SWC...they would never impose that penalty again under any circumstances. I have to agree that SMU certainly did deserve it though.

Tim Brokaw was Tom's brother? J/K
Dec 12, 2010 12:00am
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Dec 12, 2010 12:23 AM
dtdtim;596914 wrote:Never say never. In this day and age, though, most schools should know better than to toe that line.

They (the school in question) would have to be way out of line in order for it to reoccur. As they were saying towards the end of the film, no one expected it to take SMU TWO DECADES to return to some type of prominence as a result of the death penalty (in that case, winning the Hawaii bowl.)
Dec 12, 2010 12:23am
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Dec 12, 2010 12:30 AM
Early Cuyler;596984 wrote:They (the school in question) would have to be way out of line in order for it to reoccur. As they were saying towards the end of the film, no one expected it to take SMU TWO DECADES to return to some type of prominence as a result of the death penalty (in that case, winning the Hawaii bowl.)

Don't get me wrong, it's going to take A LOT for a school to be brought down in that manner again. But to say that it will never happen again? I wish I had that kind of faith in college football. But it's starting to get out of hand again, someone is going to be made an example of eventually.
Dec 12, 2010 12:30am
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Dec 12, 2010 12:38 AM
Shit, it took my Irish 15 years and a bowl win in Hawaii to try and get our shit together. :)

I didn't know anything about SMU or whatever because I was 8 when that went down but that documentary was outstanding. I think I'll take them on NCAA now.
Dec 12, 2010 12:38am
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Dec 12, 2010 12:44 AM
Just finished the whole thing...I think this may beat 'The U' for me. Excellent documentary.
Dec 12, 2010 12:44am
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Dec 12, 2010 8:30 AM
it was definitely H.W.

btw, did anyone else sense the irony that this was aired right after the Heisman Award Show? I know it may not have been planned, but with all the allegations and such with Cam and Cecil Newton, I found the timing to be more than coincidental.
Dec 12, 2010 8:30am
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Dec 12, 2010 9:26 AM
I found it more ironic for Cam to say how much he appreciated everything his mom and dad did behind the scenes to help him reach his goals.
Dec 12, 2010 9:26am
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Dec 12, 2010 9:30 AM
The Equalizer;597125 wrote:I found it more ironic for Cam to say how much he appreciated everything his mom and dad did behind the scenes to help him reach his goals.
LOL-me too!!! I almost expected the previous winners that were standing behind him to look at each other and roll their eyes :rolleyes:
Dec 12, 2010 9:30am
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Dec 13, 2010 12:41 PM
Some good quotes in the documentary.

"Don't tell me about the labor, just show me the baby"

Very well done documentary though. I also didn't know the extent they went to, to ignore the NCAA
Dec 13, 2010 12:41pm
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Dec 13, 2010 12:59 PM
jordo212000;599247 wrote:
"Don't tell me about the labor, just show me the baby"



LOVE that quote. So true. No one wants to hear about all the b.s.; they just want to see the results.
Dec 13, 2010 12:59pm
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Dec 13, 2010 1:00 PM
I enjoyed this as I caught it yesterday. Also caught The Best That Never Was on Saturday, that was very good as well!
Dec 13, 2010 1:00pm
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Dec 13, 2010 3:50 PM
Fab1b;599277 wrote:I enjoyed this as I caught it yesterday. Also caught The Best That Never Was on Saturday, that was very good as well!

my favorite so far, even though they're all pretty darn good
Dec 13, 2010 3:50pm
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Dec 13, 2010 7:34 PM
Yeah "The Best that Never Was" still takes the cake for me.

But like others have said, pretty much all of the episodes have been solid.
Dec 13, 2010 7:34pm