jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 24, 2010 12:20pm
I will give Gee the WAC. That's a bad conference. But he is way off on the MTN West. The MTN West is better than the ACC and Big East (his BCS brethern).
Honestly, I have no idea whether Boise or TCU deserve a chance to play for the National Championship. But that is why they should settle it on the field. TCU and Boise have both been very impressive this year.
I love how he mocks their conferences and says they need to "run the (Big 10) gauntlet." Pretty easy for the BCS conferences to say, right? I am guessing Boise and TCU would love to play in the Big 10.
Honestly, I have no idea whether Boise or TCU deserve a chance to play for the National Championship. But that is why they should settle it on the field. TCU and Boise have both been very impressive this year.
I love how he mocks their conferences and says they need to "run the (Big 10) gauntlet." Pretty easy for the BCS conferences to say, right? I am guessing Boise and TCU would love to play in the Big 10.
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Nov 24, 2010 12:20pm
This is a totally uncalled for cheap shot from Gee.
And Ohio State doesnt play the sisters of the poor? Really???
And Ohio State doesnt play the sisters of the poor? Really???
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 24, 2010 12:21pm
ytownfootball;573884 wrote:His point isn't that they (the big boys) don't schedule a cup cake or two in OOC games but rather that their conference games (70% of games) aren't comprised of cup cakes.
Now if we are just going to discuss the elite teams, let's look at OSU, and the closing lines:
Illinois - average?? (-16)
Indiana - cupcake (-24.5)
Wisconsin - elite (-4)
Purdue - cupcake (-23.5)
Minnesota - cupcake (-23.5)
Penn State - average (-20)
Iowa - average (-3)
Michigan - average (-19.5)
Of the 8 games, 1 elite, 4 average and 3 cupcakes. And two of those average schools are predicted to lose by nearly 3 TD's and a 3rd by 2 TD's.
You could certainly look at the Big East and ACC and it would be worse.
I'll give some props to the Pac 10 and Big 12 and the SEC really is a grind.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 12:22pm
But it will cost Nebraska a million to play them at their place?
Kinda hard to play the 'woe is me" card with those kind of demands. Then of course there's the independent option.
Kinda hard to play the 'woe is me" card with those kind of demands. Then of course there's the independent option.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 24, 2010 12:22pm
Yeah Gee really picked a bad time to compare schedules. In addition to being Big 10 champions this year, we can also be MAC champions! haha
jordo212000
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Nov 24, 2010 12:24pm
ytownfootball;573931 wrote:But it will cost Nebraska a million to play them at their place?
Kinda hard to play the 'woe is me" card with those kind of demands. Then of course there's the independent option.
They are playing Georgia next year and played Va Tech this past season. It would be one thing if they talked a big game and ultimately scheduled Vanderbilt, but they are scheduling key OOC games.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Nov 24, 2010 12:25pm
Well, he leaves himself open to interpretation by saying,"We don't play those teams." Umm.....yeah ya' do.ytownfootball;573884 wrote:His point isn't that they (the big boys) don't schedule a cup cake or two in OOC games but rather that their conference games (70% of games) aren't comprised of cup cakes.
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 12:26pm
jordo212000;573934 wrote:They are playing Georgia next year and played Va Tech this past season. It would be one thing if they talked a big game and ultimately scheduled Vanderbilt, but they are scheduling key OOC games.
They have to. And they got caught with their pants down in regard to Nebraska.
jordo212000
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Nov 24, 2010 12:28pm
ytownfootball;573937 wrote:They have to.
and they are... haha. What are we arguing about again?
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Nov 24, 2010 12:28pm
Definitely not a very PC thing for a college prez to say, but,
1) G Gee doesn't work for College Gameday- who cares what his opinion is on strength of schedule, BCS title game, etc.? He opposes a playoff- that disqualifies him from any intelligent discussion on college football entirely.
2) He's right. Ohio State's weak OOC schedule = Boise St. & TCU conference schedule. Similarly, for every impressive OOC win by Boise St & TCU, Ohio State has 2 decent conf wins.
1) G Gee doesn't work for College Gameday- who cares what his opinion is on strength of schedule, BCS title game, etc.? He opposes a playoff- that disqualifies him from any intelligent discussion on college football entirely.
2) He's right. Ohio State's weak OOC schedule = Boise St. & TCU conference schedule. Similarly, for every impressive OOC win by Boise St & TCU, Ohio State has 2 decent conf wins.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 12:28pm
killer_ewok;573935 wrote:
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Yeah, thankfully he comes off more of a fan rather than a spokesman. His timing was awful on the subject, and there's really no "context" to blame.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 12:29pm
jordo212000;573941 wrote:and they are... haha. What are we arguing about again?
two games doesn't equal five?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 12:34pm
thedynasty1998;573929 wrote:Now if we are just going to discuss the elite teams, let's look at OSU, and the closing lines:
Illinois - average?? (-16)
Indiana - cupcake (-24.5)
Wisconsin - elite (-4)
Purdue - cupcake (-23.5)
Minnesota - cupcake (-23.5)
Penn State - average (-20)
Iowa - average (-3)
Michigan - average (-19.5)
Of the 8 games, 1 elite, 4 average and 3 cupcakes. And two of those average schools are predicted to lose by nearly 3 TD's and a 3rd by 2 TD's.
You could certainly look at the Big East and ACC and it would be worse.
I'll give some props to the Pac 10 and Big 12 and the SEC really is a grind.
OK so if Ohio State only has to prepare for three teams this year, who are they and who is left out?
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 24, 2010 12:38pm
ytownfootball;573949 wrote:OK so if Ohio State only has to prepare for three teams this year, who are they and who is left out?
Honestly, they only have to prepare for 2. After looking at the spreads, I guess their next toughest game was Illinois. I was originally giving Penn State too much credit.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 12:41pm
thedynasty1998;573957 wrote:Honestly, they only have to prepare for 2. After looking at the spreads, I guess their next toughest game was Illinois. I was originally giving Penn State too much credit.
says all I need to know...spreads are what define the need to prepare.
cuz upsets never happen in the Big10
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 24, 2010 12:41pm
ytownfootball;573946 wrote:two games doesn't equal five?
I will put you on the stand now, what five "elite" teams did Ohio State play? I could ask the same about Oregon
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 24, 2010 12:41pm
By the way, the article has expanded from the one I posted. The original one didn't have the comment about "Little Sisters of the Poor" and all that.
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0311sdp
Posts: 580
Nov 24, 2010 12:46pm
So scheduling i legit OOC game per season is called scheduling key OCC games but when OSU does the same thing, (1 tough OOC game per year) they are scheduling cupcake city. I just want to understand where you're coming from. Boise's league schedule is extremely weak so 1 tough OOC game does not make you a title contender. TCU has played a weak OOC schedule as well as a very poor league schedule.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Nov 24, 2010 12:47pm
I really dont understand why ESPN ran a story on what this guy thinks. They might as well ask my opinion and write a story. I dont get it, is he trying to push OSU up in the rankings? To rip on a team's schedule is laughable when you play a schedule like OSU did this year.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 12:52pm
jordo212000;573964 wrote:I will put you on the stand now, what five "elite" teams did Ohio State play? I could ask the same about Oregon
I'm not defending their schedule, as it turned out it kinda blows. Gee isn't comparing them either imo. He just got caught looking like he was. This season has been the exception for TCU/Boise, their defeated opponents continue to play well, thus their ranking. History shows that has not been the case.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 24, 2010 12:55pm
ytownfootball;573963 wrote:says all I need to know...spreads are what define the need to prepare.
cuz upsets never happen in the Big10
I know you prepare for every team. But I think you can see the evidence. OSU played 2 quality opponents this year, one of they lost to and another that has 4 losses.
My point is that as Buckeye fans it's hard to criticize Boise and TCU's schedule, given the reality of OSU's schedule. If a Alabama fan wants to criticize, that's fine.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 24, 2010 1:02pm
Sagarin has OSU's schedule at 59. Boise's at 73. And TCU at 68.
And which schedule is worse again?
And which schedule is worse again?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 24, 2010 1:03pm
thedynasty1998;573986 wrote: My point is that as Buckeye fans it's hard to criticize Boise and TCU's schedule, given the reality of OSU's schedule. If a Alabama fan wants to criticize, that's fine.
Not given the history of their defeated opponents, again, (I think I've said this 3 times) this year has been the exception.
thedynasty1998
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Nov 24, 2010 1:04pm
wildcats20;573993 wrote:Sagarin has OSU's schedule at 59. Boise's at 73. And TCU at 68.
And which schedule is worse again?
No one is saying Boise's schedule is better than OSU. Just that neither is overly impressive.
And I don't know much about the Sagarin rankings, but does it only factor in wins, or every opponent? OSU lost to Wisconsin, so what if we are only talking about teams on the schedule they beat?
thedynasty1998
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Nov 24, 2010 1:05pm
ytownfootball;573995 wrote:Not given the history of their defeated opponents, again, (I think I've said this 3 times) this year has been the exception.
No one cares about the history. You can only look at this season's results.