jordo212000;568103 wrote:With Auburn and Oregon (and TCU) all Idle this week, I couldn't help but feel like this week was really meaningless. It seemed like there was nothing riding on this week's games. The Ohio State-Iowa game was about the most meaningful game out there, and it pretty much only decided if Ohio State could still stake a claim to a big money bowl.

My point is, how can people argue that the bowl setup makes the regular season "more" meaningful? Wouldn't have been more exciting if LSU and Ohio State HAD to win their games to make the playoffs? Wouldn't each matchup not involving TCU, Oregon, or Auburn get infinitely more exciting?

What about the other games around the country? How meaningful are they at this point? Texas A&M can play for the right to play in the Microcomputers.com Bowl presented by Papa John's. That's reeeeallly exciting there.

enigmaax;568281 wrote:Okay, but again, what would those teams be playing for otherwise? You still have 8 teams or so clinging to hopes of a national title, over 20 still with shots at those big money games, and how many more trying to get bowl eligible? If there were an 8 team playoff, how much would league championships matter (there wouldn't be room for autobids for everyone) and what would all those teams who weren't going to make it be playing for?

jordo212000;568305 wrote:I know the Texas A&M's of the world still aren't playing for anything, but like I said people defend the regular season and claim that "every week, every game matters" when that is actually false.

I really don't care about the who conference championship game thing, if they go away I could really care less. I care more about a consequential end to the season where things are settled on the field.

The teams who don't make the playoffs would be playing for the same thing they are playing for now. Nothing. However the 8-12 teams who do make the playoffs will get to keep playing and show us fans who really "deserves" to be the champion.

jordo212000;568103 wrote:With Auburn and Oregon (and TCU) all Idle this week, I couldn't help but feel like this week was really meaningless. It seemed like there was nothing riding on this week's games. The Ohio State-Iowa game was about the most meaningful game out there, and it pretty much only decided if Ohio State could still stake a claim to a big money bowl.

My point is, how can people argue that the bowl setup makes the regular season "more" meaningful? Wouldn't have been more exciting if LSU and Ohio State HAD to win their games to make the playoffs? Wouldn't each matchup not involving TCU, Oregon, or Auburn get infinitely more exciting?

What about the other games around the country? How meaningful are they at this point? Texas A&M can play for the right to play in the Microcomputers.com Bowl presented by Papa John's. That's reeeeallly exciting there.

FairwoodKing;568550 wrote:If Auburn, Oregon, Boise, and TCU all win out, then we will never know who really deserved to be national champ. It is clearly time for a playoff with at least eight teams participating.

jordo212000;568813 wrote:Long shot, but what if Auburn AND Oregon lose a game before bowl season starts? Do Boise and TCU play? Probably not, but if it does happen, we can be assured of a playoff haha. My guess is that Boise would get one spot and then the most impressive 1 loss team over the next 2 weeks will get pushed past TCU.

That would be a real mess there. Boise and TCU undefeated, and the Oregon, Auburn, Ohio State, Stanford, Oklahoma State, and LSU all with one loss.

Long shot, but what if Auburn AND Oregon lose a game before bowl season starts? Do Boise and TCU play? Probably not, but if it does happen, we can be assured of a playoff haha. My guess is that Boise would get one spot and then the most impressive 1 loss team over the next 2 weeks will get pushed past TCU.



That would be a real mess there. Boise and TCU undefeated, and the Oregon, Auburn, Ohio State, Stanford, Oklahoma State, and LSU all with one loss.

Yeah, I imagine Boise is a lock if one of the top two falter. Doubt TCU is going to make it over any of those 1-loss teams if Boise is already in the title game. Auburn might be able to work its way back in if they lose to Alabama but then win the SEC, especially if Oregon loses as well - but I don't know if they could overcome a loss to South Carolina.



You left Wisconsin off that list of 1-loss teams.

jordo212000;569419 wrote:Yeah forgot about Wisky. Obviously as long as they have 1 loss, Ohio state will be on the outside looking in.

Al Bundy;569439 wrote:MSU is also in that 1 loss group and have a win over Wisc.

enigmaax;569693 wrote:But Michigan State doesn't have a remote shot at the title game amongst the one loss teams. They could get into the Rose Bowl with an OSU upset loss, but there's no way they'd move into the title game even if Oregon and Auburn get beat once.

Al Bundy;569704 wrote:OSU doesn't have a shot either. I thought you were just listing all 1 loss teams.

enigmaax;569728 wrote:Gotcha. It is certainly a stretch for most of those teams, OSU included, but a crazy last few weeks similar to 2007 and they are much closer to the action. I don't think any amount of craziness is going to get Michigan State into the conversation again - Alabama with 2 losses would stay ahead of them in the BCS. For that matter, Arkansas would probably pass them with a win over LSU. The other one loss teams still have upward mobility with a little help.

HitsRus;568758 wrote:There really is no excuse for there not being a playoff. Easily the first round of a 6 or 8 team playoff could be held the first week of December, with the final 4 being matched up in the traditional Bowl games on Jan1. Championship game to follow a week to 10 days later.

BCS rankings could still be used to determine the top 8.....if you ain't in the top eight, you don't deserve a shot anyway.

This year, more than ever, obviates the need for the NC to be won on the field.

This is my favorite argument that people clamoring for a playoff use because it is absolutely stupid. Basically, you are saying that the BCS is good enough to pick the top 8 teams...but not good enough to pick the top 2 teams. That makes no sense.

A playoff would just mean that these last few weeks are completely pointless

HitsRus;570268 wrote:That makes perfect sense. The BCS is probably as good a system as there can be without actually deciding things on the field....and it works to a great extent.
If there is a weakness, it is in seperating a teams place or two apart. Better to quibble over # 9 or #8 who would still have to win 2 games on the field if they qualify just to play in the NC , then determining who actually plays the one championship game that determines the title.?


Very simply...and I'll type slow so you understand....

If you aren't good enough to own the eight spot outright, then you have no one to blame but...

1) yourself for not playing well enough during your season
2) your AD for scheduling a cupcake schedule
3) your candy ass conference for being too weak.

HitsRus;570268 wrote:FAIL
if there were a playoff and 8 teams would be taken, these last few weeks would be crazy exciting as 6 to ten teams would be vying for those last few spots....in the "big money Bowls"

trep14;570430 wrote:There is no way Auburn would rest their starters this week if there was an 8 team playoff they were trying to qualify for. Team #10 in the BCS standings (michigan state) has 1 loss. And its true each week could cost you your season...if you are Auburn and Oregon. If you are Boise State or TCU, you have already done everything asked of you but even if you win out from this point on, as long as Auburn and Oregon keep winning, you aren't sniffing a chance at a national title.

trep14;570430 wrote:Also, there is a huge difference between using the BCS to pick 8 spots vs using it to pick 2 spots. 8 spots gives you a much greater chance of actually crowning the best team as the national champion. Sorry, but no one will ever convince me that Ohio State in 2006 or 2007 was one of the two best teams in the nation and that they wouldn't have been exposed in the first round of a playoff. Ditto for Oklahoma in 2004, Nebraska in 2001, etc.