Dean Wormer;708021 wrote:Yes I have. The difference is I am not the one who is whining and asking for investigations by the OHSAA. I could care less about what Massillon does because as I've said before they can't win a title even with all of the alleged violations. Case closed.

Well then thank you counselor Wormer

Dean Wormer;708021 wrote:Yes I have. The difference is I am not the one who is whining and asking for investigations by the OHSAA. I could care less about what Massillon does because as I've said before they can't win a title even with all of the alleged violations. Case closed.

You are complaining about someone being able to make accusations about something, which, you have done the exact same thing. Case closed.

rmolin73;707189 wrote:Hahahaha but we never claimed to be a mythical program. But I find it funny that you omitted the following information.

1999 State Runner Up
2003 State Semi-Finals
2007 Regional Finals
2008 State Champions

You can come by Sylvania and see what a "real" trophy looks like as well. Now if you want to compare programs that live up to their hype take a look at my alma mater Lowndes High School, GA and our rival Valdosta High, GA (The Winningest Program in High School). Your move.

Way to divert the attention from you looking like a fool, Massillon went one and done 3 times so far this century, YOUR school has done it 4 times.



There is no comparison between Massillon and Southview, you know it too. You do have a state title, and I will give you credit for that, BUT, you were one of the biggest schools in D2 when you won it, as things are right now, Massillon has 30 more boys than you....30. So, when you were playing schools the same size or smaller, Massillon was playing schools TWICE their size. You honestly think that if Massillon was in D2 for the last 15 years they wouldn't have several state titles?

Southview won a title in D2, when they were on the brink or being D1. Let's take a look at who's been more consistant so far in the playoffs in 2k.

2000 Massillon 0-1----Southview DNQ
2001 Massillon 3-1----Southview DNQ
2002 Massillon 3-1----Southview DNQ
2003 Massillon DNQ---Southview 1-1
2004 Massillon DNQ---Southview 0-1
2005 Massillon 4-1----Southview 0-1
2006 Massillon 1-1----Southview 0-1
2007 Massillon DNQ---Southview 2-1
2008 Massillon 0-1----Southview 5-0
2009 Massillon 3-1----Southview 0-0
2010 Massillon 0-1----Southview 0-1

This despite Massillon being the small school on the block. Look what happened to Southview when you were bumped up to D1? You found out it ain't so easy huh.

NOW, look at it this way, you could win a title for the next 20 years....and you'll still be 1 short of us.

Massillon has almost doubled your number of playoff wins this century, again, despite playing big boy football.

BTW, I know all about Valdosta, Massillon is 3rd on that all time list. And after Valdosta, Lowndes and Warner Robins, Ga. football is powder puff compared to Ohio.

Rocket08;707208 wrote:Unbelievable

The guy is in such a state of denial

Criticizing a program that has actually won a title, then conveniently forgetting to list it, while his own school has none......

Shows what he is though

If you look closer Sherlock, I was only listing years that Southview either didn't make the playoffs, or went one and done. Did ya notice 2003, 7 and 8 were missing also?

Dean Wormer;708021 wrote:Yes I have. The difference is I am not the one who is whining and asking for investigations by the OHSAA. I could care less about what Massillon does because as I've said before they can't win a title even with all of the alleged violations. Case closed.

I believe that's why I'm here. If the parochials recruiting was dealt with, and things were made fair, I'd be gone.

Rocket08;708112 wrote:I just saw this post. Forget the Catholic High School education. I was an English Major in college

I've been schooled

Say this when you're the opening act for Sherman.

skank;708183 wrote:Way to divert the attention from you looking like a fool, Massillon went one and done 3 times so far this century, YOUR school has done it 4 times.



There is no comparison between Massillon and Southview, you know it too. You do have a state title, and I will give you credit for that, BUT, you were one of the biggest schools in D2 when you won it, as things are right now, Massillon has 30 more boys than you....30. So, when you were playing schools the same size or smaller, Massillon was playing schools TWICE their size. You honestly think that if Massillon was in D2 for the last 15 years they wouldn't have several state titles?

Southview won a title in D2, when they were on the brink or being D1. Let's take a look at who's been more consistant so far in the playoffs in 2k.

2000 Massillon 0-1----Southview DNQ
2001 Massillon 3-1----Southview DNQ
2002 Massillon 3-1----Southview DNQ
2003 Massillon DNQ---Southview 1-1
2004 Massillon DNQ---Southview 0-1
2005 Massillon 4-1----Southview 0-1
2006 Massillon 1-1----Southview 0-1
2007 Massillon DNQ---Southview 2-1
2008 Massillon 0-1----Southview 5-0
2009 Massillon 3-1----Southview 0-0
2010 Massillon 0-1----Southview 0-1

This despite Massillon being the small school on the block. Look what happened to Southview when you were bumped up to D1? You found out it ain't so easy huh.

NOW, look at it this way, you could win a title for the next 20 years....and you'll still be 1 short of us.

Massillon has almost doubled your number of playoff wins this century, again, despite playing big boy football.

BTW, I know all about Valdosta, Massillon is 3rd on that all time list. And after Valdosta, Lowndes and Warner Robins, Ga. football is powder puff compared to Ohio.

But you see the difference between Massillon and Southview is the fact that I never made them out to be some mythical team as you make Massillon out to be. Also why you cry and whine about the parochial schools and their recruting Southviews state title was won with Southview kids, no transfers, no parents getting jobs, no kids coming from out of state. All the while maintaining some of the highest academic standards. If Southview wins a D1 title not given one they will have achieved a goal that the paper Tigers have failed to reach. You all may or may not have won a D2 title in all seriousness your schedule has really gotten soft over the years. You guys got handled by Buchtel a team that got manhandled by Toldeo Central Catholic.

Only someone as delusional as you would believe we expected for D1 to be easy we knew it would be difficult. But no matter who is put in front of the boys they will play them public or private win or lose without crying and whining from the kids or the fans.

But what is really funny is the fact that you call Lowndes powder puff when we have won five Georgia big school titles and Valdosta has only beaten us twice this decade. I will give credit where credit is due Valdosta is a heck of a program. But the tide has changed and we are a good program I'm not sure where we would fall in Ohio football but I can guarantee we would handle Massillon. If we were such powder puffs we would not have had four kids sign D1 offers which is pretty good for powder puff football.

skank;708195 wrote:I believe that's why I'm here. If the parochials recruiting was dealt with, and things were made fair, I'd be gone.

...Skank, I'm a Mooney guy, my kids went to Mooney & played sports there. Not one person offered me a dime or any assistance whatsoever towards their education. My wife and I are both Mooney alum & felt strongly in giving them the same Catholic education that we received so please don't paint all private (Catholic) schools with your broad brush. I've defended Massillon in the past, I've posted that it would be great if these two historic football schools got together (which you agreed with) & now I read this.

What is unfair to Massillon? How is Massillon being hurt? What parochial school is robbing Massillon of thier players ( Canton Central Catholic--not likely) (St. Thomas in Louisville--please!) (Massillon Christian School 30 kids in grades 9 thru 12 and they don't even play football.)

... My offer is still on the table to meet for coffee if Mooney & Massillon were to ever play, but I don't ever see this ever happening if the same feelings you post are harbored by the AD & school board there in Tigerland.

Best of luck to the Tigers in 2011.

Go Cards!

4cards;708896 wrote:...Skank, I'm a Mooney guy, my kids went to Mooney & played sports there. Not one person offered me a dime or any assistance whatsoever towards their education.

My experience was different. I have been the runt of my family. I had to stop playing football after my 7th grade year because I was way to small and got 3 concussions during that season. So in high school, I never played football. I was on the freshman baseball team during winter workouts, but decided that it also wasn't for me. However, I was on the golf team. As a freshman and sophomore, I played on the JV team. My junior and senior year, I played in just enough matches to letter both years. I was the 5 or 6 man on the team, and didn't even play in all the matches. Basically, I am saying that I was not athletically gifted, and was about as far away from being a superstar athlete that you could be.
I was also on the speech team all four years. For the first three years at Mooney, I never placed at a tournament. I never qualified for states, and was again not a superstar. My senior year I broke out and made it to the state tournament where I placed 5th and also qualified for nationals where I made it to the top 25 before being eliminated from the tournament.

So why am I saying all this? In terms of extra curriculars, I was average at best. I was not a superstar in anything I did. But, I received a scholarship (around $500/year) to go to Mooney. It really bugs me when people make Mooney out to be this evil school that has coaches reminiscent of the SEC...offering money, cars, houses, space shuttles to kids to attend their school.

But no matter what is said, people are going to believe what they want. And nothing I say is going to change that. People have their pre-conceived notions based on things they heard from someone who heard from someone. Mooney is completely transparent. For the football team, they put the grade schools of all the players right in the program. Why would they do that if they were trying to hide recruiting allegations?

Some people need to take a step back, and realize that a lot of their hatred towards Mooney and other private schools stems completely out of jealousy for what these programs have been able to accomplish.

rmolin73;708317 wrote:But you see the difference between Massillon and Southview is the fact that I never made them out to be some mythical team as you make Massillon out to be. Also why you cry and whine about the parochial schools and their recruting Southviews state title was won with Southview kids, no transfers, no parents getting jobs, no kids coming from out of state. All the while maintaining some of the highest academic standards. If Southview wins a D1 title not given one they will have achieved a goal that the paper Tigers have failed to reach. You all may or may not have won a D2 title in all seriousness your schedule has really gotten soft over the years. You guys got handled by Buchtel a team that got manhandled by Toldeo Central Catholic.

Only someone as delusional as you would believe we expected for D1 to be easy we knew it would be difficult. But no matter who is put in front of the boys they will play them public or private win or lose without crying and whining from the kids or the fans.

But what is really funny is the fact that you call Lowndes powder puff when we have won five Georgia big school titles and Valdosta has only beaten us twice this decade. I will give credit where credit is due Valdosta is a heck of a program. But the tide has changed and we are a good program I'm not sure where we would fall in Ohio football but I can guarantee we would handle Massillon. If we were such powder puffs we would not have had four kids sign D1 offers which is pretty good for powder puff football.

I haven't made Massillon out to be anything, I was simply responding to the post where you said, " he would have to get used to the one and done era of Massillon football." I simply pointed out that the school you pimp has outdone Massillon in that catagory, 8 of the 11 years, your school either hasn'q qualified or went one and done.

Now, the thing that I find funny, is that YOU have a problem with Massillons schedules, let's take a closer look, shall we?

In the last three years, Massillons opponents have went 58-38....64-35-1....and 64-33, over that same time span, Southviews opponents have gone 44-55....52-48....and 43-57, for totals of,

Massillons opponents 186-106-1 for a .634 winning pct.
Southvies opponents 139-160 for a .464 winning pct.

Furthermore, in any of the three years, Massillons opponents, FOR THAT SINGLE YEAR, has qualified for the playoffs as many times as your total of all three years.

Massillons opponents qualified
'08-4 opponents
'09-4 opponents
'10-5 opponents

for a total of 13

Southviews opponents qualified
'08-None
'09-3 opponents
'10-1 opponent

for a total of 4

Also, Massillon HAS played a Canadian team twice in those three years, but they have also played,

Ignatius twice
Mentor three times
McKinley three times
Steubenville twice
Warren three times
Ursuline once
Buchtel three times

Southview on the other hand has played,

Bowling Green (11-19)
Northview (8-22)
Start (8-22)
Rossford (0-30) Yes, you read that right....0-30.

so, YOU talking about Massillons schedule is like Barry Bonds talking about the dangers of steroids.

Toledo Cent. Cath., a DII parochial Handled Buchtel, a DIII public? Isn't that why we're here?

I remember the threads, over on JJ, It was probably you too, predictions about moving up to DI and doing the same thing you did in DII, so don't act like it wasn't said.

And finally, reread my post and show me where I said Lowndes was powder puff, either you struggle to comprehend, or you simply struggle to read, I'm not sure which it is, but it's definately one of them. As far as Lowndes "definately" beating Massillon, maybe, as far as Southview, doubtful.

4cards;708896 wrote:...Skank, I'm a Mooney guy, my kids went to Mooney & played sports there. Not one person offered me a dime or any assistance whatsoever towards their education. My wife and I are both Mooney alum & felt strongly in giving them the same Catholic education that we received so please don't paint all private (Catholic) schools with your broad brush. I've defended Massillon in the past, I've posted that it would be great if these two historic football schools got together (which you agreed with) & now I read this.

What is unfair to Massillon? How is Massillon being hurt? What parochial school is robbing Massillon of thier players ( Canton Central Catholic--not likely) (St. Thomas in Louisville--please!) (Massillon Christian School 30 kids in grades 9 thru 12 and they don't even play football.)

... My offer is still on the table to meet for coffee if Mooney & Massillon were to ever play, but I don't ever see this ever happening if the same feelings you post are harbored by the AD & school board there in Tigerland.

Best of luck to the Tigers in 2011.

Go Cards!

4cards, I believe what you post, I've seen alot of people say the same thing, and I believe MOST of them also, but what about the other 79 kids on the roster, or 59, or whatever is on a particular roster? Look at St. Ignatius, kids from all over Cleveland. St. Edward, same thing, with the opportunity to give financial help to "those who need it". St. V? you honestly think all those thugs on those LBJ teams had parents who could afford tuition? I highly doubt it, especially after "Hummergate", and news channels were showing where LBJ's mom was residing.

No, none of the schools you mention are taking kids from Massillon, but the schools that DO get kids from all over their areas, we do have to meet come playoff time.

skank;708985 wrote: but the schools that DO get kids from all over their areas, we do have to meet come playoff time.

Your school draws from a larger geographic region than any of the other schools that you have mentioned.

Skank you are aware that you listed 3 teams that are in the lower tier of Southviews conference. But me personally I feel that we should play a tougher ooc schedule. The AD made the right move when he scheduled Toledo St. Francis but I would also like for him to drop Start and pick a team up from outside of NWO. As far as Southview not beating Massillon maybe, maybe not but trust me it could go either way this year I would give the slight edge to us. You see you struggle against the run where as our db's will limit your passing game.

skank;708985 wrote:4cards, I believe what you post, I've seen alot of people say the same thing, and I believe MOST of them also, but what about the other 79 kids on the roster, or 59, or whatever is on a particular roster? Look at St. Ignatius, kids from all over Cleveland. St. Edward, same thing, with the opportunity to give financial help to "those who need it". St. V? you honestly think all those thugs on those LBJ teams had parents who could afford tuition? I highly doubt it, especially after "Hummergate", and news channels were showing where LBJ's mom was residing.

No, none of the schools you mention are taking kids from Massillon, but the schools that DO get kids from all over their areas, we do have to meet come playoff time.

...St Ed's & Iggy do get Catholic kids from around the Cleveland area and with the price of tuition being what it is I would assume those parents are probably pretty well off, but....IMO...no school & I mean NO SCHOOL has a greater affect on Massillon when it comes time for the playoffs more than that open enrollment public school football powerehouse "THE Glenville Tarbloods". The enrollment at Villa Angela-St. Joes has dwindled to the point that they will close in the not too distant future due to the economy & the attraction of Glenville as a mechanism to get the pros via the Ohio State connection (and I'm a huge OSU fan). Benedictine is no longer the power they were due to the Glenville recruiting effot. So maybe they should be placed under the microscope as well.

4cards those are facts skank doesn't deal in facts.

rmolin73;709130 wrote:4cards those are facts skank doesn't deal in facts.

Simply stated

Accurate as hell

rmolin73;709049 wrote:Skank you are aware that you listed 3 teams that are in the lower tier of Southviews conference. But me personally I feel that we should play a tougher ooc schedule. The AD made the right move when he scheduled Toledo St. Francis but I would also like for him to drop Start and pick a team up from outside of NWO. As far as Southview not beating Massillon maybe, maybe not but trust me it could go either way this year I would give the slight edge to us. You see you struggle against the run where as our db's will limit your passing game.

I'm well aware of that, see, you and the boys/girls, like to throw around the Canadian thing, (believe me, nobody in Massillon likes the idea of playing Canadian teams), but, especially you, when talking about OUR schedule. See, you can't have it both ways, I realize the three teams are in your conference, BUT YOU STILL PLAY THEM EVERY YEAR....Do you not? A turd is a turd no matter how much you shine & polish it.

Al Bundy;709046 wrote:Your school draws from a larger geographic region than any of the other schools that you have mentioned.

You, as I have stated 1,000 times, would have to take that up with Diebold.

4cards;709058 wrote:...St Ed's & Iggy do get Catholic kids from around the Cleveland area and with the price of tuition being what it is I would assume those parents are probably pretty well off, but....IMO...no school & I mean NO SCHOOL has a greater affect on Massillon when it comes time for the playoffs more than that open enrollment public school football powerehouse "THE Glenville Tarbloods". The enrollment at Villa Angela-St. Joes has dwindled to the point that they will close in the not too distant future due to the economy & the attraction of Glenville as a mechanism to get the pros via the Ohio State connection (and I'm a huge OSU fan). Benedictine is no longer the power they were due to the Glenville recruiting effot. So maybe they should be placed under the microscope as well.

Some of them, but please don't forget about the financial help that some get who aren't pretty well off, see my Akron St. V-St. M example in post 2043. I have no problem placing the "Ted Ginn Academy" under the microscope as well.

rmolin73;709130 wrote:4cards those are facts skank doesn't deal in facts.

See posts 2026, 2035, 2036 and 2042 for interesting facts Mr. 1 and done.

Rocket08;709490 wrote:Simply stated

Accurate as hell

4cards COULD be correct, but technically....those are not facts. If I look up the number for adult reading comprehension classes will you go?

skank;706979 wrote:Southview

2000-No playoffs
2001-No playoffs (actually, they went 0-10)
2002-No playoffs
2004 1 and done
2005 1 and done
2006 1 and done
2009 no playoffs
2010 1 and done

Your move.

And this, when accompanied by your qoute of, "He can't because then he would have to get used to the one and done era for Massillon football", is called poetic justice.

So let me get this straight poetic justice is the fact that Southview has went one and done 4 times to mythical Massillons 3? The fact that in our first try in the D1 playoffs we lost is poetic? The fact that win or lose we still have our own kids? That even in our history Southview has a State Title? You know whats poetic? The fact that you whine and complain about the parochials over something that your school has been doing themselves. But yet on the field of play Massillon still has 0 titles now thats poetic.

On another note Maple Heights had no problem dispatching Toledo Central Catholic but thats why we're here isn't it?

skank;709587 wrote:4cards COULD be correct, but technically....those are not facts. If I look up the number for adult reading comprehension classes will you go?

Could you possibly be more dense?

I said accurate, I never used the word "fact"

Who has the reading comprehension problem??

BTW skank

I still haven't seen your response to rmolin regarding his statement of fact that since the inception of titles actually being "won" on the field, your school name is missing from a list that started 40 years ago (next year)

You live in the past, tell me about the last 40 years