sherm03;604951 wrote:Alright skank...you keep mentioning the "Parochial Advantage." If there is such a great advantage that parochials have, it would stand to reason that private schools would dominate all regions a majority of the time. But, that's not the case. In fact, a private schools has played another private school for a state championship only 32 times (that's across all divisions). We have had an all-public state championship 66 times. Breakdown by division:
D1: All private final - 8 times. All public final - 10 times.
D2: All private final - 3 times. All public final - 18 times.
D3: All private final - 9 times. All public final - 8 times.
D4: All private final - 2 times. All public final - 12 times.
D5: All private final - 5 times. All public final - 12 times.
D6: All private final - 5 times. All public final - 8 times.

So either a lot of teams don't know about this "PA," or it just doesn't exist. Because I would think that if there was such a great advantage for parochial schools, there would be a lot more all-private finals.

But, I just use facts...so what do I know?

sherm03;605056 wrote:Care to elaborate?

Viking;605720 wrote:Several media outlets (the PD, Canton Rep, radio station WNIR) have all reported that "major" changes will be made this summer. The most detailed report was in the Canton Rep. It looks like the public and private schools will remain together. A complicated formula will be used to realign the schools for football (at least). IMHO, most private schools will be D III and above after all is said and done. Details are still being hashed out. It seems that a "super division" is still a possibility for schools like Iggy, St X., Mentor and other schools with very large areas from which they draw kids.

Change will happen.

Viking;605720 wrote:Several media outlets (the PD, Canton Rep, radio station WNIR) have all reported that "major" changes will be made this summer. The most detailed report was in the Canton Rep. It looks like the public and private schools will remain together. A complicated formula will be used to realign the schools for football (at least). IMHO, most private schools will be D III and above after all is said and done. Details are still being hashed out. It seems that a "super division" is still a possibility for schools like Iggy, St X., Mentor and other schools with very large areas from which they draw kids.

Change will happen.

Thinthickbigred;605426 wrote:I know one thing Id love to see the Red play DSJ cause so many people think you would beat us but I do know we would beat you 9 out of 10 IMO maybe more and after that crap you did to Shadyside Id just love it ...We would hurt you bad believe me ...for that matter I am sick of that MAC confrence too bad you guys are all the way over there

Thinthickbigred;605426 wrote:I know one thing Id love to see the Red play DSJ cause so many people think you would beat us but I do know we would beat you 9 out of 10 IMO maybe more and after that crap you did to Shadyside Id just love it ...We would hurt you bad believe me ...for that matter I am sick of that MAC confrence too bad you guys are all the way over there

skank;602194 wrote:[/B]

It's called the big picture Sherlock. If someone in your town gets murdered by having their arms ripped off and being beaten to death by their own arms, and a day later, it happens in the town next to you....They're PROBABLY related.

Dean Wormer;602429 wrote:This guy gets it!! Congratulations on a very intelligent post.

sherm03;604951 wrote:Alright skank...you keep mentioning the "Parochial Advantage." If there is such a great advantage that parochials have, it would stand to reason that private schools would dominate all regions a majority of the time. But, that's not the case. In fact, a private schools has played another private school for a state championship only 32 times (that's across all divisions). We have had an all-public state championship 66 times. Breakdown by division:
D1: All private final - 8 times. All public final - 10 times.
D2: All private final - 3 times. All public final - 18 times.
D3: All private final - 9 times. All public final - 8 times.
D4: All private final - 2 times. All public final - 12 times.
D5: All private final - 5 times. All public final - 12 times.
D6: All private final - 5 times. All public final - 8 times.

So either a lot of teams don't know about this "PA," or it just doesn't exist. Because I would think that if there was such a great advantage for parochial schools, there would be a lot more all-private finals.

But, I just use facts...so what do I know?

Al Bundy;605034 wrote:I am a public school guy, so I am not sure who my cohorts are. I just know that your crying, whining, and excuses get old. Hopefully some day you grow up and develop a work ethic and learn that not everyone should receive a trophy for just participating.

Delphosfan;606069 wrote:9 out of 10? You're a Div III school for crying out loud, you should beat us 10 out of 10. As for Shadyside, they just weren't that good. They wouldn't finish in the top third of any small school conference around here. But at least they were able to beat an Ohio team.

Have a Merry Christmas and MAC! MAC! MAC!!

Havin Fun;608970 wrote:To Delphosfan - here is the link to the ODE on % of handicapped students. http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?page=3&TopicRelationID=115&ContentID=50598&Content=96758

Look at the school year 2009-2010 report on page 5. Actual rate is exactly 15%. These kids all count in public school enrollment figures but sadly cannot compete in most cases in sports. Sorry but winning a state title in D-VI is not that difficult when you consider 90% of the public schools probably have zero chance when the season begins. Most private schools draw from a geographic region 10-20 times bigger than the average public school can draw from.

Havin Fun;608970 wrote:To Delphosfan - here is the link to the ODE on % of handicapped students. http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?page=3&TopicRelationID=115&ContentID=50598&Content=96758

Look at the school year 2009-2010 report on page 5. Actual rate is exactly 15%. These kids all count in public school enrollment figures but sadly cannot compete in most cases in sports. Sorry but winning a state title in D-VI is not that difficult when you consider 90% of the public schools probably have zero chance when the season begins. Most private schools draw from a geographic region 10-20 times bigger than the average public school can draw from.

Alma_Parker;607318 wrote:sherm you are the eternal champion of applying actual data to the situation; it is such a refreshing counter to the skankbrigade. then again, it won't deter them; they know in their heart that the answer for more success for the program isn't better coaching or lifting and training or less whining on the part of their fan base (think of the doubt it must put in the kids' minds to be constantly told that everyone else is out to screw them), but instead that the fix is in.

Havin Fun;608970 wrote:To Delphosfan - here is the link to the ODE on % of handicapped students. http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?page=3&TopicRelationID=115&ContentID=50598&Content=96758

Look at the school year 2009-2010 report on page 5. Actual rate is exactly 15%. These kids all count in public school enrollment figures but sadly cannot compete in most cases in sports. Sorry but winning a state title in D-VI is not that difficult when you consider 90% of the public schools probably have zero chance when the season begins. Most private schools draw from a geographic region 10-20 times bigger than the average public school can draw from.

Alma_Parker;607318 wrote:sherm you are the eternal champion of applying actual data to the situation; it is such a refreshing counter to the skankbrigade. then again, it won't deter them; they know in their heart that the answer for more success for the program isn't better coaching or lifting and training or less whining on the part of their fan base (think of the doubt it must put in the kids' minds to be constantly told that everyone else is out to screw them), but instead that the fix is in.

Thinthickbigred;609232 wrote:Wake up public school fans !!!!! We have to start sticking together on this ..We have to ..Changes need made ...I am mad as hell because DSJ beat on a good Shadyside team like that ...In D-6 ..That is a crime to me ..and the catholic schools are beating the crap out of us and laughing it up all the way ...We attack each other all the time ..We have to start sticking together or these bullchit playoffs arent going to mean anything anymore...

Thinthickbigred;609237 wrote:Well even if his numbers are correct ..they proove the public school point of view ....When only 5 to 10 % of all schools are private ..Look at the numbers they dont add up ...

Al Bundy;609312 wrote:I went to a public school, and I still feel that good programs win. You program has been better than the Catholic school in your town. If the Catholic school has this huge advantage, why is your program better?