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aged jock

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Oct 18, 2011 8:42 PM
skank;933558 wrote:I agree, If I were young again, and saw all these kids being drawn in by todays modern parochial school coaches, I may have to reconsider. Of course, I wouldn't be able to afford the tuition....Wait, what? For free? You're kidding right? You mean I could go to, ________ (fill in random parochial school), for FREE, just because I'm a good athlete?
The only schools that are free are the public schools. The funny thing is, if you were young again, the parochial school coaches would give you a chance, just like they give everybody who goes out a chance. But you, like everyone else, have to pay the tuition. The tax money only pays for public schools and charter schools.
Oct 18, 2011 8:42pm
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skank

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Oct 18, 2011 8:52 PM
aged jock;938074 wrote:The only schools that are free are the public schools. The funny thing is, if you were young again, the parochial school coaches would give you a chance, just like they give everybody who goes out a chance. But you, like everyone else, have to pay the tuition. The tax money only pays for public schools and charter schools.


Um....Ok. :rolleyes:
Oct 18, 2011 8:52pm
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distantsmithie

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Oct 22, 2011 2:01 PM
Thinthickbigred;563843 wrote:Everybody knows that no public school has a chance in the lower divisions against Ursulin and Delphose St Johns and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..
I do not completely agree with this. I have watched some small school defeat private schools soundly. One instance is 2003 when Smithville (D-V) surprised Bedford-Chanel (defending state champs) and then beat Delphos St. Johns in the snow bowl in Mansfield. Both private schools were favored. I know there are other cases where this has happened, but being the underdog can be a great motivator.

It would seem the divide being public/private widens as you get into the higher divisions, perhaps due to student body size and more metropolitan areas to draw from.
Oct 22, 2011 2:01pm
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Delphosfan

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Oct 22, 2011 4:42 PM
distantsmithie;941498 wrote:I do not completely agree with this. I have watched some small school defeat private schools soundly. One instance is 2003 when Smithville (D-V) surprised Bedford-Chanel (defending state champs) and then beat Delphos St. Johns in the snow bowl in Mansfield. Both private schools were favored. I know there are other cases where this has happened, but being the underdog can be a great motivator.
I wouldn't have called the game in Mansfield a "snow" bowl, more like a MUD bowl. After the fallout from this game, the OHSAA mandated that state semi-finals be played on turf.
Oct 22, 2011 4:42pm
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BlueJ

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Oct 26, 2011 3:13 AM
Marion Local competes year in and year out with DSJ and they are in the same division. They must be a cheater private school too. Nope, just hard working kids who know what it takes to be a good program. Also, Marion Local beat Ursuline at state back when they were in D5. It's funny how people always forget about Marion Local. That school proves that you can be a small public school and can compete without "recruiting"". It's also funny how you never hear about the people up at Maria Stein complain about DSJ being a private school. Guess that's what makes them winners.

Also should mention that back in the 90's when St. Henry was dominating D6 there were many people who accused them of being a "cheating" private school that recruited, and I even heard some people say they could prove it. Then I would have the pleasure of informing them that they were a public school and that the name of the city was St. Henry. I just find it funny what people will say without really having a clue. Marion Local and St. Henry are two schools that have had just as much success as DSJ over the last 20 years. Some people just like to whine and make excuses to make themselves feel better. This 115 page thread case in point.
Oct 26, 2011 3:13am
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Dean Wormer

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Oct 26, 2011 9:00 AM
BlueJ;945649 wrote:Marion Local competes year in and year out with DSJ and they are in the same division. They must be a cheater private school too. Nope, just hard working kids who know what it takes to be a good program. Also, Marion Local beat Ursuline at state back when they were in D5. It's funny how people always forget about Marion Local. That school proves that you can be a small public school and can compete without "recruiting"". It's also funny how you never hear about the people up at Maria Stein complain about DSJ being a private school. Guess that's what makes them winners.

Also should mention that back in the 90's when St. Henry was dominating D6 there were many people who accused them of being a "cheating" private school that recruited, and I even heard some people say they could prove it. Then I would have the pleasure of informing them that they were a public school and that the name of the city was St. Henry. I just find it funny what people will say without really having a clue. Marion Local and St. Henry are two schools that have had just as much success as DSJ over the last 20 years. Some people just like to whine and make excuses to make themselves feel better. This 115 page thread case in point.
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You make too much sense. Skank and his buddies don't understand logic. If you are going to continue to post such logical posts you have to go. ;)
Oct 26, 2011 9:00am
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oldsmithie

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Oct 27, 2011 5:48 AM
I have never been in favor of changing the playoffs, it would just water everything down. The only problem I have is the money issue. Getting a private education is a privilage not a right! I am against vouchers and scholarships. If you want your child to get a private education, then you have to pay for it, if you cant afford it, then you go to public school.
Oct 27, 2011 5:48am
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rmolin73

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Oct 27, 2011 7:18 AM
LOL yeah go to the public school that is failing:thumbdown:
Oct 27, 2011 7:18am
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Rocket08

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Oct 27, 2011 7:21 AM
oldsmithie;946568 wrote:The only problem I have is the money issue. Getting a private education is a privilage not a right! I am against vouchers and scholarships. If you want your child to get a private education, then you have to pay for it, if you cant afford it, then you go to public school.

And this has what to do about football playoffs?
Oct 27, 2011 7:21am
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oldsmithie

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Oct 27, 2011 8:30 AM
It has everything to do with athletics, Private schools may not get some of the top athletes, if they have to pay full tuition.
Oct 27, 2011 8:30am
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Oct 27, 2011 9:01 AM
Delphosfan;941571 wrote:I wouldn't have called the game in Mansfield a "snow" bowl, more like a MUD bowl. After the fallout from this game, the OHSAA mandated that state semi-finals be played on turf.
So a parochial school complained enough that the field conditions cost them the game as they think they "would have" won if it was played on turf??? And then imagine that, the state sided with the parochial school and changed the rules so that games "will" be played on turf!!

If anyone is interested....
Look at Drew Pastuers Fantastic 50....Ursaline has to beat Mooney and some help to make the playoffs. Ursaline as it stands is only a 95 to 1 odds to win the state title today......but if they make the playoffs, Drew Pastuer has them as an immediate 2 to 1 odds to win it all. WOW!
Oct 27, 2011 9:01am
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Al Bundy

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Oct 27, 2011 1:32 PM
Old Rider;946637 wrote:So a parochial school complained enough that the field conditions cost them the game as they think they "would have" won if it was played on turf??? And then imagine that, the state sided with the parochial school and changed the rules so that games "will" be played on turf!!

If anyone is interested....
Look at Drew Pastuers Fantastic 50....Ursaline has to beat Mooney and some help to make the playoffs. Ursaline as it stands is only a 95 to 1 odds to win the state title today......but if they make the playoffs, Drew Pastuer has them as an immediate 2 to 1 odds to win it all. WOW!
Ursuline beat Mooney last week.
Oct 27, 2011 1:32pm
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Oct 27, 2011 3:10 PM
^^^ Yes, I meant St. V.
Oct 27, 2011 3:10pm
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Rocket08

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Oct 27, 2011 3:25 PM
Old Rider;946637 wrote:So a parochial school complained enough that the field conditions cost them the game as they think they "would have" won if it was played on turf??? And then imagine that, the state sided with the parochial school and changed the rules so that games "will" be played on turf!!
Where in that post is it stated that the school that lost complained about the field conditions? Where did you get the information (other than making it up) the the OHSAA changed a rule do to a particular complaint from 1 school?

Secondly, it's spelled U R S U L I N E
Oct 27, 2011 3:25pm
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Rocket08

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Oct 27, 2011 3:26 PM
oldsmithie;946613 wrote:It has everything to do with athletics, Private schools may not get some of the top athletes, if they have to pay full tuition.
It's actually none of your business
Oct 27, 2011 3:26pm
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Old Rider

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Oct 27, 2011 3:57 PM
Rocket08;947005 wrote:Where in that post is it stated that the school that lost complained about the field conditions? Where did you get the information (other than making it up) the the OHSAA changed a rule do to a particular complaint from 1 school?

Secondly, it's spelled U R S U L I N E
I was on the OHSAA board that voted to change it...and yes their complaining had a big part in that!

Thanks for being my secretary and correcting my spelling!
Oct 27, 2011 3:57pm
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skank

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Oct 27, 2011 4:35 PM
Rocket08;947005 wrote:Where in that post is it stated that the school that lost complained about the field conditions? Where did you get the information (other than making it up) the the OHSAA changed a rule do to a particular complaint from 1 school?

Secondly, it's spelled U R S U L I N E


Since we're correcting people, it's due....Not do. You'd think an English Major would have nailed that one.
Oct 27, 2011 4:35pm
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Rocket08

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Oct 27, 2011 5:00 PM
Old Rider;947032 wrote:I was on the OHSAA board that voted to change it...and yes their complaining had a big part in that!

Thanks for being my secretary and correcting my spelling!
You were on the board, and you can't spell Ursuline correctly


That explains quite a bit :huh:

By the way, the board voted to present the issue to the membership. You didn't vote to change anything (thankfully)

You would have screwed up the best playoff system in the country. You could have been sooooo proud :(
Oct 27, 2011 5:00pm
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skank

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Oct 27, 2011 5:10 PM
That's not THAT big of a deal, I know a guy who claims to be an English Major, yet doesn't know the difference between do and due. Plus he hates punctuation.
Oct 27, 2011 5:10pm
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BIG CAT

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Oct 27, 2011 8:59 PM
Public's just need to quit scheduling the privates.. Look what happen to Ursuline.
Oct 27, 2011 8:59pm
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Oct 27, 2011 9:30 PM
BIG CAT;947395 wrote:Public's just need to quit scheduling the privates.. Look what happen to Ursuline.
Don't know what you mean by this. Ursuline played four public schools this year (going 2-2 against them). Last year, they only played three public schools.

So what exactly is your point?
Oct 27, 2011 9:30pm
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sherm03

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Oct 27, 2011 9:32 PM
BIG CAT;947395 wrote:Public's just need to quit scheduling the privates.. Look what happen to Ursuline.
sherm03;947438 wrote:Don't know what you mean by this. Ursuline played four public schools this year (going 2-2 against them). Last year, they only played three public schools.

So what exactly is your point?
The year before...Ursuline only played 2 public schools.
Oct 27, 2011 9:32pm
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Dean Wormer

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Oct 27, 2011 9:39 PM
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What he means is Ursuline is too good for his school so he doesn't want to play them. It's a shame that these whiners can't hide during the playoffs. It would be a lot quicker to just let the teams like Coldwater or Marion Local line up and play the parochial schools.
Oct 27, 2011 9:39pm
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BlueJ

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Oct 27, 2011 10:24 PM
Just thought I'd look this up just for fun. Starting in 1994 here is the list of D5 and D6 state champs;

DV ..........................................DVI
94- Versailles.........................St. Henry
95- Lisbon David Anderson........St. Henry
96-Marion Pleasant..................Mogadore
97- Liberty Center.................Delphos St. Johns
98-Versailles........................Delphos St. Johns
99- Amanda Clearcreek..........Delphos St. Johns
00-Amanda Clearcreek............Marion Local
01- Bedford St. Peter Chanel.....Marion Local
02- Marion Pleasant.................Mogadore
03- Gahanna Columbus Academy..Columbus Grove
04- St Henry............................Hardin Northern
05- Patrick Henry....................Delphos St. Johns
06- St. Henry..........................Marion Local
07- Marion Local.....................Newark Catholic
08- Ursuline............................Delphos St. Johns
09- Ursuline..........................Norwalk St. Paul
10- Ursuline...........................Delphos St. Johns

So it looks like Ursuline, Delphos St. Johns, Amanda Clearcreek, Versailles, Marion Pleasant, St. Henry, Mogadore, and Marion Local have had lots of success. I find it funny how people just focus on DSJ and Ursuline.
Oct 27, 2011 10:24pm