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Nov 30, 2009 11:04 PM
HitsRus wrote: From the independent Commissioners' Blue Ribbon Panel (circa 2000)

I. Summary of Findings, Conclusions and Recommendations
I.1. Overall Conclusions
The Commissioner's Blue Ribbon Panel on Baseball Economics, representing the
interests of baseball fans, was formed to study whether revenue disparities among
clubs are seriously damaging competitive balance, and, if so, to recommend
structural reforms to ameliorate the problem. After 18 months of extensive
investigation, we conclude:
a. Large and growing revenue disparities exist and are causing problems of
chronic competitive imbalance.
b. These problems have become substantially worse during the five complete
seasons since the strike-shortened season of 1994, and seem likely to remain
severe unless Major League Baseball (“MLB”) undertakes remedial actions
proportional to the problem.
c. The limited revenue sharing and payroll tax that were approved as part of
MLB's 1996 Collective Bargaining Agreement with the Major League Baseball
Players Association (“MLBPA”) have produced neither the intended
moderating of payroll disparities nor improved competitive balance. Some
low-revenue clubs, believing the amount of their proceeds from revenue
sharing insufficient to enable them to become competitive, used those proceeds
to become modestly profitable.
d. In a majority of MLB markets, the cost to clubs of trying to be competitive is
causing escalation of ticket and concession prices, jeopardizing MLB's
traditional position as the affordable family spectator sport.
Those findings were circa 2000, like they said since the '94 strike--so basically right after the Yankees had won 4 in 5 years. They just happened to have a GREAT team. What happened after these "findings"?! LOL, they didn't find anything--just an investigation done by someone who wasn't a Yankee fan and it's easy to use the high pay roll excuse when they beat your team isn't it?
Nov 30, 2009 11:04pm
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Nov 30, 2009 11:34 PM
Just because they spend money does not guarantee squat. If that were true the Yankees would have won every World Series this decade and teams like the Marlins, Tigers, Rays, Rockies, and Cardinals would never get that far.
Nov 30, 2009 11:34pm
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Nov 30, 2009 11:34 PM
They buy themselves a ticket to the dance . You can't deny it. Anything can happen in a short series.... But the huge, massive, payroll expenditures that few can match, over the course of a 162 game season, virtually guarantees a spot. Not one other team can consistntly generate the revenue year after year after year that buy$ that playoff berth. And there is no other way to spin it...their unmatched payroll puts them in the playoffs year after year.

What is amazing, that despite all those playoff appearance$, the Yankee$ have only won 25% of their chance$ to win a title (about the $tatistical average.) Maybe they are just so pi$$ poor that they can't even win a title even when they can bludgeon every one with their checkbook LOL.

Face it Yankee fan$....your team and organization is $o bad that de$pite buying a playoff $pot evey year, You can win only 1 out of every 4 attempt$.....imagine how they would do if they actually had to deal with a level playing field...lol


You couldn't handle what most small market teams fans deal with year after year. Losing season...whoa.....let's throw $450 million out there and buy the best 4 players out on the market.
Nov 30, 2009 11:34pm
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Nov 30, 2009 11:38 PM
HAHA, I LOVE haters. Same people that always want their team to spend money on a big FA and have a big payroll and win the World Series.
Nov 30, 2009 11:38pm
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Dec 1, 2009 12:06 AM
it's tainted green...especially the latest 'championship'. I can't blame you, you love your team just as I love mine....but it is tainted nonetheless.
Dec 1, 2009 12:06am
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Dec 1, 2009 12:15 AM
LOL, what are you a Tribe fan? 27 tainted titles>2 "untainted" titles.
Dec 1, 2009 12:15am
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Dec 1, 2009 12:24 AM
Tainted nonetheless. Yeah Yank$! C'mon cut your payroll to a measly $100 million....could you still win?....NOT!.
Dec 1, 2009 12:24am
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Dec 1, 2009 12:27 AM
How do you know? The Marlins beat the Yankees with a 54 million dollar payroll and the Yankees was 164 million. Yes they could win, they'd just have to change the way they do things--they'd have to work the minor leagues more. Could the Indians win if they played all the players they produce from the minors??! Yep, but they won't and if they did you'd all be happy they were making it rain. Boohoo. 27! :)
Dec 1, 2009 12:27am
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Dec 1, 2009 8:37 AM
"Yes they could win, they'd just have to change the way they do things-"


Hahaha. You mean they'd have to compete just like everyone else. Your right though. Twenty $even.
Dec 1, 2009 8:37am
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Dec 1, 2009 9:45 AM
The fact of the matter is its still 27, way more than the next team has. One the money is spent you still have to produce/execute on the field. Our players do that time and time again in October(well, this year anyways)
Dec 1, 2009 9:45am
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Dec 1, 2009 10:54 AM
^^Yea, A-Rod finally showed up this year in playoffs but will it last again. Their farm system is awful because they trade away all of their good players. We shall see what happens when Jeter, Rivera, and some of those other old players leave who were the glue for this run they have had.
Dec 1, 2009 10:54am
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Dec 1, 2009 11:12 AM
What's going to happen? They won't win the World Series every other year?! Oh wait, they don't anyways. This whole money BS has already been shot to hell, keep yappin'.
Dec 1, 2009 11:12am
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Dec 1, 2009 11:42 AM
Actually the farm system isn't in that bad of shape... we've had a lot of homegrown guys(Chamberlain, Hughes, Cano, Cabrere) reach the bigs over the last couple of years and there's more in thew ay
Dec 1, 2009 11:42am
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Dec 1, 2009 11:45 AM
Whatever darby, if it happens someday we'll just laugh at these guys while we're still winning and then see what the next excuse is.
Dec 1, 2009 11:45am
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Dec 1, 2009 6:32 PM
I'll laugh when the league finally institutes a salary cap, and the Yankee$ actually have to be a good organization to win.

I laugh when Yankee fans boast about their twenty $even titles and how good an organization it is....but then claim money doesn't matter because they only won one title this decade. They want it both ways....actually Yankee fans want it EVERY way.

Either you have a good organization because you won 27 titles and money matters, or despite throwing tons of $$$$ at players you only won one title because your organization isn't really that good....which is it?
Dec 1, 2009 6:32pm
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Dec 1, 2009 6:41 PM
What would happen if they did it tomorrow? You think they'd just dismantle the team? I'm willing to bet they'd pay a luxury tax and keep the same players, or the players would all at least take a pay cut--considering a lot of players across the league would have to. So what would you say if they had the same team they have now and were within the rules of the cap?
Dec 1, 2009 6:41pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:28 PM
Pay cut....I don't think so. They just aren't going to be able to go on a $450 million spending spree.
Dec 1, 2009 7:28pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:32 PM
Really? Because if they put a cap in, a lot of them would have to take a pay cut no matter where they goes. Plus they're all contracted for a certain amount of years--so does MLB just void those contracts? They just won a world series together, I bet most of them would take a pay cut to stay together and try to do it again. Your logic is all based on bullshit when I already presented an argument that they haven't bought championships. But facts are outweighed by bullshit, I totally understand--bullshit is heavy.
Dec 1, 2009 7:32pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:33 PM
HitsRus wrote: Pay cut....I don't think so. They just aren't going to be able to go on a $450 million spending spree.
Complain all you like. Teams like the Yankees, White Sox, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, and Dodgers, are the ones keeping baseball in cities like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Sand Diego, and Miami. Whether you like it or not, the system will not change any time soon. The owners won't allow it.
Dec 1, 2009 7:33pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:37 PM
But wait highroller, what about the fact that they buy their titles?!?!
Dec 1, 2009 7:37pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:39 PM
I wouldn't say they bought the titles, they did earn them. But you have to be ignorant to not believe that money plays a large role in the Yankees success.
Dec 1, 2009 7:39pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:42 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: But wait highroller, what about the fact that they buy their titles?!?!
I always love that claim. The fact that teams like the Marlins and Rays continue to field teams that can go to the World Series, proves that is not the case.

Each team plays the system a different way. The Yankees use the system to acquire talent and try to win every year.

Teams like the Indians keep the payroll as small as possible, regardless if the team is a winner or not, just so the owner can make some money.
Dec 1, 2009 7:42pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:44 PM
HighRoller74 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: But wait highroller, what about the fact that they buy their titles?!?!
I always love that claim. The fact that teams like the Marlins and Rays continue to field teams that can go to the World Series, proves that is not the case.

Each team plays the system a different way. The Yankees use the system to acquire talent and try to win every year.

Teams like the Indians keep the payroll as small as possible, regardless if the team is a winner or not, just so the owner can make some money.
And thats the case many people argue. The Yankees, no matter what year, will always be in the thick of things with playoffs and the WS. Teams like the Rays, Marlins, etc will make one good run and then will die off for a years until making another run.

Don't be foolish to believe that money isn't a huge part of the Yankees success.
Dec 1, 2009 7:44pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:50 PM
Ok so why is it that we bitch about the Yankees in a league with no cap, but in capped leagues there are teams that are the same exact way (I've proven that the Lakers are worse in terms of this being a bad thing) and no one is complaining there. Boohoo, people only bitch because it's easier than saying your team should just step up and beat them.
Dec 1, 2009 7:50pm
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Dec 1, 2009 7:51 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Last year in the NFL the Browns had a higher payroll than 11 of the 12 playoffs teams--Vikings were the only one. The Yankees have won ONE title since their 3 peat and it took them 8 years to do it. The Angels, Diamondbacks, MARLINS all won one during that Yankee hiatus. The Yankees have won 7 since 1975, including 4 during a 5 year dynasty stretch. In the capped NFL the Steelers have won 6 in that time span. The Lakers have won 9 titles since '75 in the NBA--the Celtics 5.

You morons are right, Major League Baseball is dooooooooomed!
I guess this was very easily ignored by the side of the argument that it doesn't support. LMAO!
Dec 1, 2009 7:51pm