SportsAndLady;548378 wrote:Lol again, the writing is on the wall. There is nothing that will come from an investigation that a) we dont already know or b) is truly factual.

SportsAndLady;548376 wrote:An amusement ride isn't comparable to your workplace. Poor comparison ewok.

As for your second point, "without knowing all of the details" what details do you think are going to come out that would make Kelly look less negligent? The only thing that could come out would be if the kid was encouraged to come down and he said no he's fine. Like I said, when you tweet holy fuck this is terrifying, and someone says come down, wouldn't you say yes? YES! You would! The only person who truly knows if that happened was Declan himself, and well...

Al Bundy;548381 wrote:How do you know what will or won't come out of the investigation?

SportsAndLady;548389 wrote:What could POSSIBLY come out of the investigation? The kid is dead, he's the only one who would truly know what happened. An assistant coach is going to back up his head coach. The players will, too. Again, what could come out that would change the negligence of Brian Kelly?

Al Bundy;548381 wrote:How do you know what will or won't come out of the investigation?

killer_ewok;548386 wrote:It's comparable when you're bringing up his statement in his tweets like that settles it and proves something. You think you know exactly what happened (at least you talk like you do) but you don't. Maybe Kelly told him to come down and Sullivan insisted on staying up there. I know, you probably think that's unfathomable. Maybe Kelly made him stay up there. Maybe the wind freakishly picked up at a moment's notice. WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET...and that's what we should find out when the investigation is complete. Not sure why you don't think there isn't anything important left to find out.

SportsAndLady;548396 wrote:I'm just not realistically seeing anything that could come out lol

I mean come on..the wind freakishly picked up? It was already freakish wind!...sullivan insisted on staying up there? When the head coach tells you to do something, you do it. I helped out a friend who is a manager for OU's basketball team by taking his place for a week while he went on vacation. If Coach Groce were to look at me and say "okay, stop taping" I wouldn't be like "no I want to keep taping" lol I mean none of this stuff makes sense. Sometimes you just gotta face the facts and say your guy fucked up and should be fired.

SportsAndLady;548396 wrote:I'm just not realistically seeing anything that could come out lol

I mean come on..the wind freakishly picked up? It was already freakish wind!...sullivan insisted on staying up there? When the head coach tells you to do something, you do it. I helped out a friend who is a manager for OU's basketball team by taking his place for a week while he went on vacation. If Coach Groce were to look at me and say "okay, stop taping" I wouldn't be like "no I want to keep taping" lol I mean none of this stuff makes sense. Sometimes you just gotta face the facts and say your guy fucked up and should be fired.

Al Bundy;548404 wrote:He's not my guy. I am an OSU fan. I just think that an investigation should be done to find out as much information as possible. If the facts show that action should be taken against him after an investigation, then take it. I'm just not ready to ready to fire a guy based solely on what ESPN reports.

SportsAndLady;548411 wrote:I meant that for ewok, not you.

And fine, lets get an investigation going. This will be good.

killer_ewok;548407 wrote:Also, have you ever been told to stop working or playing a sport due to injury but chose to tough it out for whatever reason? I have and people do that sometimes

WebFire;548424 wrote:I also don't see how S&L thinks it's so black and white. You speak as if you know facts. You don't. Wait for them to come out.

If Tressel moved practice inside because of wind, and the roof was blown in and a person was killed, should he be fired or resign?

Fly4Fun;548428 wrote:Terrible comparison. The important factor in most negligence cases is foreseeability; and sometimes public policy is weighed in as well. Foreseeability is expressed many different ways, but just generally it's the deciding factor.

Would it be foreseeable that the roof was going to collapse on a structure that is structurally sound and in compliance with all building regulations/codes? No.

Would it be foreseeable that operating a lift or having someone high above the ground in unusually and dangerously strong wind might result in someone getting hurt as a result of possibly falling? Probably, but it depends on the facts. From the information that was have heard and seen so far... I don't think it's looking good for Kelly.

Fly4Fun;548428 wrote:Terrible comparison. The important factor in most negligence cases is foreseeability; and sometimes public policy is weighed in as well. Foreseeability is expressed many different ways, but just generally it's the deciding factor.

Would it be foreseeable that the roof was going to collapse on a structure that is structurally sound and in compliance with all building regulations/codes? No.

Would it be foreseeable that operating a lift or having someone high above the ground in unusually and dangerously strong wind might result in someone getting hurt as a result of possibly falling? Probably, but it depends on the facts. From the information that was have heard and seen so far... I don't think it's looking good for Kelly.

WebFire;548430 wrote:It was stated in this thread I think that the storm was spawning tornadoes. Foreseeable?

Fly4Fun;548432 wrote:Your post is too vague... which scenario are you referring to?

If you're referring to Notre Dame... then hell yes.

If you're referring to your hypothetical than it depends. What is the normal procedure for dealing with tornadoes in that situation? Is the structure the closest designated tornado safety zone?

WebFire;548435 wrote:Someone stated Tressel moved the practice indoors because of winds. This storm produced tornadoes and many many tornado warnings in Ohio. So hypothetically, if a tornado came down and killed someone while practicing, should Tressel be fired or resign?

Fly4Fun;548439 wrote:There are too many unanswered questions in your hypothetical scenario.

But in the Notre Dame situation I am seeing less unanswered questions. But like I said earlier, it depends on what is found to be the weather condition of that day officially and how Kelly responded to it.

WebFire;548480 wrote:See, I disagree. I think there are still to many unanswered questions. But for me, it's not whether the kid should have been up there. The tower he was in toppled and he died, so duh, he shouldn't have been up there.

It's who should be responsible. I still don't know if that falls squarely on Kelly, so I am not going to be calling for his head yet. Unlike others here.

SportsAndLady;548415 wrote:Another horrible comparison.

Playing through an injury in sports is so much different than the Sullivan incident.

As a worker, coach tells you to do something, you do it. As a player, there is more to it than that.

Crimson streak;548576 wrote:I do believe Ohio state practiced outside on Wednesday?

rock_knutne;548328 wrote:I see some more resident dumbasses ("pick my ass" and "never played sports/can't get no ladies") have joined the debate. You haters are a joke, Brian Kelly is going nowhere and as ewok stated, ND has assumed FULL responsibility for Sullivan's tragic death. This story is closed, the only reason certain assholes bring it up is to flame and bash.