Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Feb 13, 2011 6:04pm
I agree jpake. You're one of the few people I know of, both on and off this site, that was actually a Heat fan before this year, so props to you.
I really think come playoff time Miami would be better served to make LeBron a Pippen role. Tell him to rebound, distribute and defend like a madman.
I really think come playoff time Miami would be better served to make LeBron a Pippen role. Tell him to rebound, distribute and defend like a madman.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 13, 2011 6:35pm
Interesting.WindhorstESPN Brian Windhorst
ESPN Stats&Info: LeBron was 20-of-20 at line in final minute with score within 5 points. That was best in league until miss today.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 14, 2011 6:31pm
^Beat me to it.
He's not clutch though, except for all those stats that over the years have shown him to be the most clutch player in the NBA by quite a margin.
He's not clutch though, except for all those stats that over the years have shown him to be the most clutch player in the NBA by quite a margin.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Feb 14, 2011 6:35pm
Most clutch player in the NBA? lol
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 14, 2011 7:11pm
www.82games.com
I'd say my argument is pretty solid. Also, when you look beyond the points the way you should the difference is even more staggering.
I'd say my argument is pretty solid. Also, when you look beyond the points the way you should the difference is even more staggering.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 14, 2011 7:17pm
Well looking at that website and when you look at 10-11 stats and sort if by FG%......
Kobe....38.5%
LeBron....33.3%
Kobe....38.5%
LeBron....33.3%
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 14, 2011 7:24pm
FG%? That's all there is to being clutch?
Basically, what those stats will show you (go back a few years, its not that close in a couple of the years he was with the Cavs) is that LeBron is far and away the most productive player in the league during "clutch" time.
As far as this year goes, I'm not surprised his numbers aren't what they were the last couple of years (though the year isn't over, and he has been hitting his stride lately) because he's part of a team with 2 HOF style closers. Kobe is THE closer for LA. But that's fine, LeBron's production can't be denied, the numbers are right there for you.
Basically, what those stats will show you (go back a few years, its not that close in a couple of the years he was with the Cavs) is that LeBron is far and away the most productive player in the league during "clutch" time.
As far as this year goes, I'm not surprised his numbers aren't what they were the last couple of years (though the year isn't over, and he has been hitting his stride lately) because he's part of a team with 2 HOF style closers. Kobe is THE closer for LA. But that's fine, LeBron's production can't be denied, the numbers are right there for you.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Feb 14, 2011 8:45pm
What does Lebron's clutchometer say for the Playoffs and the NBA Finals?
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 14, 2011 9:01pm
Keep scrappin' Skyhook, he is who he is...might as well just accept it at this point. And get used to it, the dominance will continue for years to come.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Feb 14, 2011 9:06pm
SQ_Crazies;678607 wrote:www.82games.com
I'd say my argument is pretty solid. Also, when you look beyond the points the way you should the difference is even more staggering.
The 2010/2011 clutch stats listed, id take Kobe, Dirk, Melo, Stoudemire, Westbrook, ect all over James
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 14, 2011 9:28pm
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Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Feb 15, 2011 9:43am
What and Who exactly is he dominating?SQ_Crazies;678745 wrote:Keep scrappin' Skyhook, he is who he is...might as well just accept it at this point. And get used to it, the dominance will continue for years to come.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 15, 2011 1:47pm
Skyhook79;679124 wrote:What and Who exactly is he dominating?
Regular seasons
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 15, 2011 1:52pm
SportsAndLady;679469 wrote:Regular seasons
This is true, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what regular season MVPs are based off of?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 15, 2011 4:12pm
karen lotz;679475 wrote:This is true, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what regular season MVPs are based off of?
Who said anything about regular season MVPs/who gives a fuck about regular season MVPs?
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 15, 2011 4:27pm
Pretty sure a lot of people give a fuck about the MVP award.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Feb 15, 2011 4:39pm
SQ_Crazies;679609 wrote:Pretty sure a lot of people give a fuck about the MVP award.
Only one that matters is the one with the word "Finals" in front of it
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 15, 2011 4:47pm
SportsAndLady;679590 wrote:Who said anything about regular season MVPs/who gives a fuck about regular season MVPs?
Might have gotten this thread confused with the other one hating on LeBron, hard to keep it all straight.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 15, 2011 4:54pm
karen lotz;679628 wrote:Might have gotten this thread confused with the other one hating on LeBron, hard to keep it all straight.
I'm pretty sure saying that Lebron dominates regular seasons is not hating, it's the exact opposite...i'm complimenting him on dominating regular seasons
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 15, 2011 5:07pm
lol, I thought yours was a sarcastic reply to Skyhook. The other thread was debating whether or not LeBron was the leader for MVP this year. I got them confused. My mistake.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 15, 2011 5:41pm
karen lotz;679638 wrote:lol, I thought yours was a sarcastic reply to Skyhook. The other thread was debating whether or not LeBron was the leader for MVP this year. I got them confused. My mistake.
It was a sarcastic reply to skyhook...GOT YOU!
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 15, 2011 5:44pm
LeBron would trade in those 2 MVP trophies any day for a ring.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 15, 2011 5:50pm
SportsAndLady;679650 wrote:It was a sarcastic reply to skyhook...GOT YOU!
lol if it was I sniffed it out early so jokes on you!
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 15, 2011 5:51pm
like_that;679654 wrote:LeBron would trade in those 2 MVP trophies any day for a ring.
Absolutely but that isn't possible.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Feb 15, 2011 7:32pm
Anyone else just see the 90 foot alley oop from Wade to lbj!??? Wow.