pinstriper;532702 wrote:The way to fix this is to penalize the players from entering the NFL...if they take money, they cannot play in the NFL for 3 years (8 games will not do), that will eliminate most, if not all, money taken by players. Would you give up your signing bonus, along with 3 yrs of salary just because some sleezball agent offered you $50,000 or whatever? I wouldn't. Give amnesty to any player that has accepted money to this date, in exchange for information...and implement the policy starting Jan 1st, 2011.
wildcats20;532734 wrote:They won't be be NCAA players anymore.
I don't really care what they do, but putting sanctions on the schools/teams is meaningless.
karen lotz;532746 wrote:This. Agents need to lose their licenses and not for one or two years if they are found to be paying or even trying to pay college athletes. I know the players have to have some accountability but what really can be expected of them when there are these slimeballs offering them dufflebags full of cash?
ytownfootball;532780 wrote:I don't think it's an NFL problem until more high profile guys like Saban and his remarks get some legs. Until it becomes a PR issue with the league, there's no sense in upsetting the apple cart with the cheapest farm system available.
ytownfootball;532780 wrote:I don't think it's an NFL problem until more high profile guys like Saban and his remarks get some legs. Until it becomes a PR issue with the league, there's no sense in upsetting the apple cart with the cheapest farm system available.
trep14;532805 wrote:I don't really see the remarks from guys like Saban and other high profile coaches getting too much momentum. I laugh whenever I hear a high profile coach complain about agents, considering that the coaches are getting paid a ton of money off of these kids.
Also, count me against any penalties to the players, whether it be retroactively fining them once they are in the pros or making them ineligible to enter the pros if they were found to be taking money. I can't hold it against the players when the NCAA and the system are making so much money off of them and they are supposed to be content with a scholarship so that they can major in "undecided" and get to the pros.
I understand that, but it doesn't diminish the value. If it is irrelevant, why not just get rid of athletic scholarships entirely? Why don't more guys start going overseas or why doesn't someone start a "tweener" league for those guys who would otherwise go directly to the NBA (or who aren't college material)? The top guys get the direct benefit of exposure and the top guys are a very, very small percentage. For those who aren't top guys, that scholarship money means a hell of a lot more.thedynasty1998;533130 wrote: I hate the scholarship money argument. It's just so irrelevant to these guys. They'd much rather take out loans and be allowed to get paid.
thedynasty1998;533130 wrote:As for the fining of players, it is absolutely the worst idea ever. I just don't see that happening.
Punish the agents or fine the schools. You have a kid from the ghetto playing college basketball in front of 15,000 screaming fans 30 games a year who is treated like a god on his campus. And when some agent approaches him with $1000 and he takes it he is going to get fined once he signs his NBA contract? Just stupid.
enigmaax;533147 wrote: The top guys get the direct benefit of exposure and the top guys are a very, very small percentage. For those who aren't top guys, that scholarship money means a hell of a lot more.
thedynasty1998;533154 wrote:Yea, I understand that. But we are talking about the elite players that are getting paid, and those are the guys whom free tuition doesn't mean much. They are not at "school" to attend class and get a degree, they are at "school" to use as a minor league system.
enigmaax;533172 wrote:Agreed. My original response was to a comment that coaches "use" the players to make millions of dollars and that makes them kind of hypocritical for calling out agents.
Players are using the system just the same and throwing away a shit ton of money that plenty of other people would love to have. I do not buy the woe-is-me line from the players at all. They know the rules when they sign up and there's not a whole heck of a lot of difference between what they're asked to do and what nearly every other college student in the world is asked to do. I know there's the whole, but they make money for the college, but that is very rarely an individual who does that. How long has OSU sold football tickets? You tell me one player whose presence exclusively determined whether or not people would attend OSU games.
thedynasty1998;533174 wrote:Greg Oden
thedynasty1998;533399 wrote:I'm not saying to feel sorry for him. But even though he hurt the school's academic rating, he more than repaid it in revenue's earned.
And yes, football and basketball are different, but both are revenue generating.
One could argue that Pryor drives up the price of tickets and corporate sponsorship.
enigmaax;533445 wrote:Without knowing the football numbers, though, I don't buy Pryor as having that same impact. If Pryor was great and the team sucked, there wouldn't automatically be more money to go around. In Oden's case, there wasn't much of a chance they were going to suck even if they didn't have the exact cast they had. OSU football is bigger than any one person and the team's tradition and year-to-year results have a lot more to do with their gate than any single player ever will. Just an opinion.
thedynasty1998;533469 wrote:The impact one single football player can have is obviously diminished due to the numbers. But certain players sell tickets. If Ohio State is playing OU and Pryor is hurt heading into that game and isn't going to play, not as many people are heading to the game, or watching on TV if Baueserman is the QB.