thedynasty1998;516137 wrote:You can't honestly think that? I know you are saying that based on passer rating, but he isn't close to being a top 15 QB in the NFL. And I'm saying that actually being somewhat of a fan of Wallace.

No, this was based on passer rating after yesterday's game (was actually 14th). There's no way that he's in the top tier of NFL QB's but I won't retract the statement that I think the Browns can play with anyone with him under center. He gives us a much better chance than Delhomme if just by his mobility alone. He's not a QB that you build a franchise around but he's better than a few of the QB's currently starting.

Better than a few? Hes probably better than about 10. A lot of bad qbs starting at the moment.

Rotinaj;516246 wrote:Better than a few? Hes probably better than about 10. A lot of bad qbs starting at the moment.

Name them.

As I mentioned on the Browns/Steelers thread, they are kincking the tires on Daunte Culpepper.

If Jake Delhomme were my father, I would euthanize him for the good of Brownie Nation.

thedynasty1998;516317 wrote:Name them.

Max Hall, Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Jimmy Clausen, Ryan Fitzpartrick, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, Bruce Gradkowski/Jason Campbell, and Matt Hasselback.

Max Hall - Based on the only game he's played in his career, NO
Shaun Hill - Has actually played pretty decently this year
Alex Smith - Maybe
Jimmy Clausen - Yes
Ryan Fitzpartrick - Not based on this season's stats
Chad Henne - Not even close
Carson Palmer - Possible
Matt Cassel - No
Bruce Gradkowski/Jason Campbell - Gradkowski has slightly better stats this year
Matt Hasselback - Wallace has better stats, but you almost have to think that Hasselback is better because Wallace couldn't beat him out

thedynasty1998;516717 wrote:Max Hall - Based on the only game he's played in his career, NO
Shaun Hill - Has actually played pretty decently this year
Alex Smith - Maybe
Jimmy Clausen - Yes
Ryan Fitzpartrick - Not based on this season's stats
Chad Henne - Not even close
Carson Palmer - Possible
Matt Cassel - No
Bruce Gradkowski/Jason Campbell - Gradkowski has slightly better stats this year
Matt Hasselback - Wallace has better stats, but you almost have to think that Hasselback is better because Wallace couldn't beat him out

Not trying to start an argument, because really its just everyone's opinion, not fact....but how can you say he's not better than Fitzpatrick and Gradkowski because of this season's stats, then say even though he has better stats than Hasselback he's still worse than him? Again, I don't really care who he is better than, I just want wins.

hangonsloopy;516731 wrote:Not trying to start an argument, because really its just everyone's opinion, not fact....but how can you say he's not better than Fitzpatrick and Gradkowski because of this season's stats, then say even though he has better stats than Hasselback he's still worse than him? Again, I don't really care who he is better than, I just want wins.

Kinda threw me off as well. I'm the same way, I dont give a damn who the starting QB is. Might as well see what the kid can do

KR1245;516739 wrote:Kinda threw me off as well. I'm the same way, I dont give a damn who the starting QB is. Might as well see what the kid can do

I can see that side of the argument, but I also understand not wanting to scar him(Couch). Really though they don't have much of a choice. If Hillis is still hurt though, I don't think it will be pretty.

hangonsloopy;516731 wrote:Not trying to start an argument, because really its just everyone's opinion, not fact....but how can you say he's not better than Fitzpatrick and Gradkowski because of this season's stats, then say even though he has better stats than Hasselback he's still worse than him? Again, I don't really care who he is better than, I just want wins.

Obviously guys like Wallace, Hall, Gradkowski and Clausen, you don't have a lot to go off of. That's why I referred to the stats. With a guy like Hasselback, one could be led to believe that Hasselback is the better guy if for no other reason than that Seattle kept Hasselback and shipped off Wallace. If Seattle thought Wallace was better than Hasselback they don't send him away.

Either way, it is a matter of opinion. It would be difficult to convince me that there are 10 QB's in the NFL worse than Wallace, but with that said I really do like Wallace. But I like him a lot more as a #2. Regardless, he's an improvement over last year's starters. He's just not a long term answer.

thedynasty1998;516750 wrote:Obviously guys like Wallace, Hall, Gradkowski and Clausen, you don't have a lot to go off of. That's why I referred to the stats. With a guy like Hasselback, one could be led to believe that Hasselback is the better guy if for no other reason than that Seattle kept Hasselback and shipped off Wallace. If Seattle thought Wallace was better than Hasselback they don't send him away.

Either way, it is a matter of opinion. It would be difficult to convince me that there are 10 QB's in the NFL worse than Wallace, but with that said I really do like Wallace. But I like him a lot more as a #2. Regardless, he's an improvement over last year's starters. He's just not a long term answer.

Agreed. I just thought you were going by this year. If you include Hasselback's career then obviously he's a better QB. I really like Wallace too. IMO we would have won sunday if he would've played the whole game. If he has a high ankle sprain though we might have to see McCoy play through the toughest part of the schedule. Which could be a great learning experience, or a horrible disaster. Being a Cleveland fan, I fear the worst.

thedynasty1998;516717 wrote:Max Hall - Based on the only game he's played in his career, NO
Shaun Hill - Has actually played pretty decently this year
Alex Smith - Maybe
Jimmy Clausen - Yes
Ryan Fitzpartrick - Not based on this season's stats
Chad Henne - Not even close
Carson Palmer - Possible
Matt Cassel - No
Bruce Gradkowski/Jason Campbell - Gradkowski has slightly better stats this year
Matt Hasselback - Wallace has better stats, but you almost have to think that Hasselback is better because Wallace couldn't beat him out

-Nice contradiction. You use stats to support Fitzpatrick>Wallace but not Wallace>Hasselback. I see how it works.
-Gradkowski doesn't have "better" stats. Pulling shit out of your ass like usual.
-I would take Wallace over Hasselback at this point in their careers. You can tell Hasselback's career has been dwindling down the past 3
-Carson Palmer is the reason why cincy has been losing all their games, except for the Cleveland game. Wallace hasn't cost the Browns any of their losses yet.
- Alex Smith maybe? lol. Its safe to say he is a bust. You know you are bad when the crowd is chanting for David Carr
- Cassel, based off stats yes. Also Cassel hasn't done shit since he was with the Chiefs. It's one thing to take over a previously unbeaten team, and another to take over team with far less talent.
- Shawn Hill is 4th in interceptions
-Not really impressed with Chad Henne, but I will give you that one. I will replace him with Bradford. Bradford will more than likely have the better career, but right now he is not the better QB. If Wallace and Bradford are on the same roster, Wallace gets the nod as the starter.

DeyDurkie5;514953 wrote: he honsestly juts needs to fuck off.

J-U-T-S .... JUTS, JUTS, JUTS!

The browns o line has allowed two starting qb's to get hurt in five games that leads me to believe the line of experienced starting qb's waiting to get their shot in Berea is short.

ernest_t_bass;516873 wrote:J-U-T-S .... JUTS, JUTS, JUTS!

I was wondering when I was goin to get called out for my drunk grammar

like_that;516850 wrote:-Nice contradiction. You use stats to support Fitzpatrick>Wallace but not Wallace>Hasselback. I see how it works.

LOL, pwned. Nice fail as usual dynasty, what a buffoon.

I'm too gone to get into the "how many QBs" are worse than Wallace, but I will say that he currently is EASILY the best option for them. If he's starting for them two years from now, unless they've had an injury to their actual starter, their management should be lynched.

Seneca's a solid journeyman back-up kind of player. He won't win games for you, but if you lose, he won't be the first guy you point at. I'd consider him a great short-term fix for a rebuilding team. He won't make crippling mistakes with regularity and is pretty steady. To reach a playoff-success level, you'll need a better guy, but right now, he at least is a good guy to work with the young guys. At least, he's done a good job of keeping them competitive and, against the Bengals, winning.

Idk, a journeyman back up usually isn't 14th in the league in passer rating..

^^
Look! I'm really baked!!! Hopefully, I can be coherent, but no promises.

In the right short-term role a journeyman back-up can come off as reasonably good. Wallace has a solid defense that has the benefit of a lot of youth and enthusisam on its side, as well as a difference-maker RB in Hillis. I think that was solid with Seattle...never good, but never bad...and just lost games. I think the same has been true with the Browns. He's never been truly good, but he's never sucked (and compared to the other guys, he's a huge plus). He'll keep you in the game if other aspects of the team are working, but if you win, he won't be near the first guy you praise (unless you start off by saying, "Our guy only completed 55% of his passes for 155 yards, but didn't throw a costly pick or anything!!!"). A manager, not a true leader.

How can you type all of that and not sound like a complete tard when you're stoned? Jesus when I'm stoned I type up something and then re read it to myself and say "thank fucking christ i didn't just send that"

+2 intraweb pointz 4 u

like_that;516850 wrote:-Nice contradiction. You use stats to support Fitzpatrick>Wallace but not Wallace>Hasselback. I see how it works.
-Gradkowski doesn't have "better" stats. Pulling shit out of your ass like usual.
-I would take Wallace over Hasselback at this point in their careers. You can tell Hasselback's career has been dwindling down the past 3
-Carson Palmer is the reason why cincy has been losing all their games, except for the Cleveland game. Wallace hasn't cost the Browns any of their losses yet.
- Alex Smith maybe? lol. Its safe to say he is a bust. You know you are bad when the crowd is chanting for David Carr
- Cassel, based off stats yes. Also Cassel hasn't done shit since he was with the Chiefs. It's one thing to take over a previously unbeaten team, and another to take over team with far less talent.
- Shawn Hill is 4th in interceptions
-Not really impressed with Chad Henne, but I will give you that one. I will replace him with Bradford. Bradford will more than likely have the better career, but right now he is not the better QB. If Wallace and Bradford are on the same roster, Wallace gets the nod as the starter.

I explained how I used stats for one and not the other. Hasselback has a body of work and was the starter in front of Wallace. If Seattle thought Wallace was a better option at this point, they keep him.

With that said, you didn't name 10.

SportsAndLady;517098 wrote:How can you type all of that and not sound like a complete tard when you're stoned? Jesus when I'm stoned I type up something and then re read it to myself and say "thank fucking christ i didn't just send that"

+2 intraweb pointz 4 u

That happens a lot, too. I think it took me about 20 minutes to come up with that...and I started with a focused idea.

Heretic;517189 wrote:That happens a lot, too. I think it took me about 20 minutes to come up with that...and I started with a focused idea.

So, when you get high you like to get on Ohiochatter? Sounds like fun...

Yeah definitely! I'm sure the firing of Delhomme will turn the Browns season completely around