Hadn't heard that one before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Ohio

Miami University in 1986 and Ohio State in 2001 were noted as "public ivy" institutions, the state/public equivalent of a private Ivy League institutions

Does that mean I can change my name to Chip and start rocking cardigan sweaters?

BigAppleBuckeye;487082 wrote:Hadn't heard that one before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Ohio



Does that mean I can change my name to Chip and start rocking cardigan sweaters?

fixed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy#Greenes.27_Guides

Nine Big Ten Universities are considered "public ivy" institutions by Matthew Greene

BigAppleBuckeye;487082 wrote:Hadn't heard that one before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Ohio

Is that sarcasm, or you really didn't know Miami was considered a public ivy?

I took classes at Ohio State my senior year of high school and I attended Dartmouth College. I really wouldn't compare the two. Granted, there are intelligent people at Ohio State and many other colleges or universities besides those of the Ivy League, but there is a pretty big difference between an Ivy League institute and Ohio State or Miami.

I'm not saying that Ohio State and Miami aren't good schools (hell, I don't want to give sleeper a heart attack), but there is a big difference between the average intelligence of the student body and level of work expected in the class room overall.

There is a significant difference, but i wouldn't say it is a "big" difference, at least as far as undergraduate work is concerned.

Granted, i attended Miami and Michigan (for grad school), so i'm slightly biased, but still, for undergraduate work, the difference isn't huge, from what i've seen and experienced. The stories my fiancee tells me about reference questions she received while a librarian at Harvard have made me slightly biased.

I think, as far as quality of students go, the top group at Ohio State and Miami could compete with any that the Ivy leagues have to offer. But, the "regular" or "bottom" students at Dartmouth, Brown, Yale, etc., are "better" than similarly placed students at OSU, etc.

Friends of mine from graduate school who attended Ivy league schools claim that, at least for them, they could have got the same quality of education at Michigan as they did at their respective Ivy, had they chosen to go to undergrad there.

Hell, Miami was just cited for the quality of their undergraduate education.

http://rankings.usnews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank


With all that said...of course, overall, Ivy league schools are more prestigious and "better" institutions than the likes of Ohio State and Miami. But, one needs to consider whether the benefits outweigh the costs when deciding to go there.

Wow, had no idea Miami was ranked #2 for their undergraduate education. Makes me proud.

cbus4life;487439 wrote:There is a significant difference, but i wouldn't say it is a "big" difference, at least as far as undergraduate work is concerned.

Granted, i attended Miami and Michigan (for grad school), so i'm slightly biased, but still, for undergraduate work, the difference isn't huge, from what i've seen and experienced. The stories my fiancee tells me about reference questions she received while a librarian at Harvard have made me slightly biased.

I think, as far as quality of students go, the top group at Ohio State and Miami could compete with any that the Ivy leagues have to offer. But, the "regular" or "bottom" students at Dartmouth, Brown, Yale, etc., are "better" than similarly placed students at OSU, etc.

Friends of mine from graduate school who attended Ivy league schools claim that, at least for them, they could have got the same quality of education at Michigan as they did at their respective Ivy, had they chosen to go to undergrad there.

Hell, Miami was just cited for the quality of their undergraduate education.

http://rankings.usnews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank


With all that said...of course, overall, Ivy league schools are more prestigious and "better" institutions than the likes of Ohio State and Miami. But, one needs to consider whether the benefits outweigh the costs when deciding to go there.

Yup, agreed that the top of the "public ivy's" could go to the real Ivy League schools. But I wouldn't go so as far to say that they would be on par with the top kids at the Ivy League schools. At every percentile of the class I would say the Ivy League students would be better than their equivalent at other schools (this excluding schools like MIT which are equally impressive in their own right). But then again, there are exceptions to the rule with a kid who is just incredibly intelligent. The one thing that I really lost sight of while attending Dartmouth was just how smart everyone there actually is. As a student it is easy to forget that and just assume you're all normal and average in the world. Then you leave that environment and are reminded just how smart the people there are. But that's not to say there aren't people who also do dumb things... being intelligent doesn't mean a person will make the best decisions in life.

As far as your friends' comments about being able to obtain the same education at another school... that really depends on how much they put into it and whether they took advantage of the opportunities afforded to them while they attend the school. Typically the Ivy League schools have more opportunities to take advantage of.

And with the cost benefit argument... if you get into an Ivy League school there really is no reason to worry about the costs as they all have plenty of money to make it manageable for anyone without incurring huge amounts of debt unlike other expensive schools with smaller endowments.

Fly4Fun;487458 wrote:Yup, agreed that the top the "public ivy's" could go to the real Ivy League schools. But I wouldn't go so as far to say that they would be on par with the top kids at the Ivy League schools. At every percentile of the class I would say the Ivy League students would be better than their equivalent at other schools (this excluding schools like MIT which are equally impressive in their own right). But then again, there are exceptions to the rule with a kid who is just incredibly intelligent. The one thing that I really lost sight of while attending Dartmouth was just how smart everyone there actually is. As a student it is easy to forget that and just assume you're all normal and average in the world. Then you leave that environment and are reminded just how smart the people there are. But that's not to say there aren't people who also do dumb things... being intelligent doesn't mean a person will make the best decisions in life.

As far as your friends comments about being able to obtain the same education at another school... that really depends on how much they put into it and whether they took advantage of the opportunities afforded to them while they attend the school. Typically the Ivy League schools have more opportunities to take advantage of.

And with the cost benefit argument... if you get into an Ivy League school there really is no reason to worry about the costs as they all have plenty of money to make it manageable for anyone without incurring huge amounts of debt unlike other expensive schools with smaller endowments.

Great post, Fly, and can't really refute any of it. You're the one who went there, not I, haha. And, i guess i probably did get carried away a bit.

And, you're right about the cost benefit argument...i sometimes forget that Ivy league schools have the endowment to make things happen, whereas other small schools of a similar cost do not, hence the amount of debt people go into. Like kids who take out 40k in loans x 4 years to go to a small, D3 school in Ohio, like Ohio Wesleyan. THAT is not worth it haha.

I've heard the new beer of choice at Miami of Ohio is Pabst.


gotta give them prop's for that.