Tigerfan00;473639 wrote:Can Justin just give LJ his own Shit Forum to argue with people?

lol, you mean a forum for people to argue with me? Please show me where I started the notre dame argument?

How about we just discuss the game, and let the fucking mods erase all of the garbage posts (even theirs) so we can get back to something relatively entertaining.


My take.

When Ohio state has the ball-

I feel like Ohio State should go back to Tressel-ball. Let's grind the clock down, and keep a very fast offense off the field. I don't mean closing the playbook up, but no need to go batshit crazy and use every play Tress has ever drawn up in one game. I think if OSU does this and the blatantly obvious, minimize their turnovers, they win the game rather handily. What I think guarantees and OSU win here. Saine15-20 carries, 120~ yards, 2 scores. Pryor 15/27 for 200~ and one score (no picks). Herron and Pryor combine for another 100.

When Miami has the ball-

Harris is a very good quarterback, however he is very mistake prone, especially when he is pressured. We are still talking about a guy who threw for 3500 yards, and about an equal number of picks to TDs last year. I think Miami needs to score quickly and a lot, to beat OSU. They have a pretty tough running back in Greg Cooper, and a lot of speed at the wide out position. They also have a deeper WR corps than OSU does. When Miami has the ball, Ohio State needs to force 2nd and 3rd and long, and then beat Harris, and he will make mistakes.


Positional Edge

QB- Push. Both quarterbacks are very good, and neither is decidedly better than the other.
RB-Ohio State. Based solely on depth.
WR-Miami see above. I think the #1 and #2 WRs at OSU are better, but Miami has a deeper corps IMO.
TE-OSU with the emerging threat in Stoney.
OL-Push. Neither team played a team with a pulse.
DL-OSU. Despite not getting pressure on Marshall (which is tough to do in a spread, dump the ball quick offense) I think OSU has more playmakers on the DL.
LB-OSU. They run pretty close to 6 guys deep with very good skills.
DB-Miami. Ohio State benefited from a lot of drops against Marshall.
ST-Miami. No doubt.

I think Ohio State does get sufficient pressure on Harris, and I don't think Miami will run the ball well enough, so OSU wins.....

Ohio State-24
Miami-10.

If Harris feels a lot of pressure, this game won't be close.

Once again LJ gets put into his place. Don't arque with the big boys troll.

LHSGUY35;473654 wrote:Once again LJ gets put into his place. Don't arque with the big boys troll.

LOL

ytownfootball;473650 wrote:If Harris feels a lot of pressure, this game won't be close.

OSU is going to pound the ball and pressure Harris. They will most likely use the same type of gameplan they did against Oregon. Get off to a fast start, pressure the hell out of the QB, then let the RB's take over to make the clock move faster.

ytownfootball;473650 wrote:If Harris feels a lot of pressure, this game won't be close.

The same could be said for Pryor feeling a lot of pressure, no?

WebFire;473876 wrote:The same could be said for Pryor feeling a lot of pressure, no?

Pryor can hurt you with his legs though, Harris isn't that type of QB. but yes, that can basically said for any team vs any team.

WebFire;473876 wrote:The same could be said for Pryor feeling a lot of pressure, no?

Yeah, you could, but I don't think Pryor had nearly as many picks as Harris did last season (to lazy to check). Harris has made huge mistakes under pressure, Pryor has made defenses pay. He's chucked a few up for grabs, one last week that didn't hurt him, but I feel pretty confident in our O lone.

Harris threw 17 int Pryor threw 11.....

Pryor makes key mistakes too. A QB who rushes the ball in prone to fumbles and Pryor has shown he does fumble the football in key situations. Pryor is also prone to Interceptions. Jacory threw 17 picks in 406 attempts last season, Pryor 11 in 295. But the one big thing is, the Canes had a harder schedule then the Buckeyes did last season, so he had to be more of a play maker. But yes Jacory does try to force too many passes, but when he's on, he's better than anyone in the country.

ytownfootball;473894 wrote:Yeah, you could, but I don't think Pryor had nearly as many picks as Harris did last season (to lazy to check). Harris has made huge mistakes under pressure, Pryor has made defenses pay. He's chucked a few up for grabs, one last week that didn't hurt him, but I feel pretty confident in our O lone.

11 for Pryor
17 for Harris

OSU fans, I'd just let the other fans talk about this game. There is still a lot of doubt in Pryor and the Buckeyes, I don't have any doubt that they will take care of business on Saturday.

LHSGUY35;473932 wrote:Pryor makes key mistakes too. A QB who rushes the ball in prone to fumbles and Pryor has shown he does fumble the football in key situations. Pryor is also prone to Interceptions. Jacory threw 17 picks in 406 attempts last season, Pryor 11 in 295. But the one big thing is, the Canes had a harder schedule then the Buckeyes did last season, so he had to be more of a play maker. But yes Jacory does try to force too many passes, but when he's on, he's better than anyone in the country.

I could be wrong, but the only fumble I can recall in a key situation was against PSU....and I'm not putting that game on Pryor. Lots of things went into that L.

LHSGUY35;473932 wrote:Pryor makes key mistakes too. A QB who rushes the ball in prone to fumbles and Pryor has shown he does fumble the football in key situations. Pryor is also prone to Interceptions. Jacory threw 17 picks in 406 attempts last season, Pryor 11 in 295. But the one big thing is, the Canes had a harder schedule then the Buckeyes did last season, so he had to be more of a play maker. But yes Jacory does try to force too many passes, but when he's on, he's better than anyone in the country.

Miami had a harder schedule? Name wise maybe, but FSU sucked (USC was a better team), Oklahoma without Bradford (won by 1), GT who was beat by Iowa in the Orange Bowl, and Va Tech (who was no better than PSU was last year). Don't even mention that OSU hammered Wisconsin, the same Badgers that beat Miami.

The difference between Pryor and Harris is that Pryor limited the turnovers as the season progressed against better competition. Harris had 7 INT's in the last half of the season against the weaker portion of the Canes schedule while Pryor only had 3. Pryor was able to go against good competition, limit his turnovers, and in the Rose Bowl take over to win the game. Harris hasn't shown that ability against good defenses yet.

I have nothing against Harris, I think he is a good QB but imo he'll falter against the Silver Bullets. The OSU defense loves to create turnovers, they are very good at it (was 2nd behind Texas last year in INT's). Especially our LB's Rolle and Homan who had several INT's last year in big games. With the addition to Williams to the DL, I think that will free up Heyward more, but if Miami wants to double him then you'll have Simon, Williams and Co. chasing down Harris.

devil1197;473974 wrote:Miami had a harder schedule? Name wise maybe, but FSU sucked, Oklahoma without Bradford (won by 1), GT who was beat by Iowa, and Va Tech (who was no better than PSU was last year). Don't even mention that OSU hammered Wisconsin, the same Badgers that beat Miami.

The difference between Pryor and Harris is that Pryor limited the turnovers as the season progressed against better competition. Harris had 7 INT's in the last half of the season while Pryor only had 3. Pryor was able to go against good competition, limit his turnovers, and in the Rose Bowl take over to win the game. Harris hasn't shown that ability against good defenses yet.

FACTS?!

WHO THE HELL BRINGS FACTS?!?!

Nice post.

Miami had to play 2 non conference games on the road against in state schools UCF and USF. Any Miami/FSU game at the Doak is tough. Then add on Oklahoma off a National Championship birth. Va Tech was better than Penn State last season, Georgia Tech won the ACC, Clemson has one of the best players in college football last season. Miami had a tougher schedule, the meat of it was early on when FSU was 100% healthy too.

Miami's O-line was almost totally diffrent from seasons end as well.

LHSGUY35;474017 wrote:Miami had to play 2 non conference games on the road against in state schools UCF and USF. Any Miami/FSU game at the Doak is tough. Then add on Oklahoma off a National Championship birth. Va Tech was better than Penn State last season, Georgia Tech won the ACC, Clemson has one of the best players in college football last season. Miami had a tougher schedule, the meat of it was early on when FSU was 100% healthy too.

FSU sucked, plan and simple. Oklahoma WITHOUT the best QB in the nation. Va Tech/PSU is a push, GT won the ACC and was beat by the Big Ten's #2, lolClemson.

Not to mention that Wisconsin, who was rolled by OSU, beat the Canes and Harris looked like garbage.

OLine or not, Harris played worse against lesser competition in the later portion of the year.

devil1197;473938 wrote:OSU fans, I'd just let the other fans talk about this game. There is still a lot of doubt in Pryor and the Buckeyes, I don't have any doubt that they will take care of business on Saturday.

Come on man. People aren't allowed to have differing opinions? What fun would this site be if everyone agreed with your view on all things sport?

devil1197;474030 wrote:FSU sucked, plan and simple. Oklahoma WITHOUT the best QB in the nation. Va Tech/PSU is a push, GT won the ACC and was beat by the Big Ten's #2, lolClemson.

Not to mention that Wisconsin, who was rolled by OSU, beat the Canes and Harris looked like garbage.

OLine or not, Harris played worse against lesser competition in the later portion of the year.

He lit up South Florida like they were nothing. Plus he was hurt for the 4th quarter of the Wisconsin game

LHSGUY35;474017 wrote:Miami had to play 2 non conference games on the road against in state schools UCF and USF. Any Miami/FSU game at the Doak is tough. Then add on Oklahoma off a National Championship birth. Va Tech was better than Penn State last season, Georgia Tech won the ACC, Clemson has one of the best players in college football last season. Miami had a tougher schedule, the meat of it was early on when FSU was 100% healthy too.

Virginia Tech, at best, was a push with Penn State last season.

Georgia Tech won the ACC and then promptly lost to Iowa, the Big 10 runner-up.

I will give you that the non-conference slate was in Miami's favor but, and this is a HUGE but, Ohio State's conference schedule vastly outrated Miami's. The Big 10 was leaps better than the ACC as a whole. Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Iowa all finished with 10 or more wins and an undefeated bowl record. The ACC had 2 teams with 10+ wins and the conference champion lost to the Big 10 2nd place.

And you still did not acknowledge that Ohio State demolished Wisconsin last year, the same Wisconsin that beat Miami.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/33J3Jd/www.whosay.com/DwayneJohnson/content/2104?c

LHSGUY35;474212 wrote:He lit up South Florida like they were nothing. Plus he was hurt for the 4th quarter of the Wisconsin game

They are nothing...

So the argument in the Boise St. thread is that the past doesn't have any bearing on this year. Yet here everyone is arguing about last year?

WebFire;474509 wrote:So the argument in the Boise St. thread is that the past doesn't have any bearing on this year. Yet here everyone is arguing about last year?

Haven't read the Boise thread, but with only having 1 game to look at and both team returning most players, its good to look back at just last year and look at the development of both QB's.

I believe you'll see a whole different OSU defensive scheme for this Saturday, similar to the aggressive defense they use at the end of the year.