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Aug 6, 2010 9:54 AM
jmog;443426 wrote:If anyone breaks into my house, I'll make sure to ask them nicely to sit down until the police arrive once I have my gun out.

Or, if like I believe they would, they have a gun and I shoot them.

Sorry SVF, but you can't always sit around and sing Kumbaya until the police arrive, the perp will leave.


You REALLY don't know anything about me.

I'd wager a pretty large amount that I've been in twenty MORE fights in my life than 75% of the people here.

I won't even address someone breaking into our homes as that's irrelevant to this discussion.
Aug 6, 2010 9:54am
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Aug 6, 2010 10:36 AM
Wow this took a turn overnight
Aug 6, 2010 10:36am
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Aug 6, 2010 10:57 AM
Steel Valley Football;443467 wrote:I posted yesterday:




Nothing has been proven yet, though. If that is the case then it changes things...just as I posted.
I understand the point you're trying to make and to an extent I think most will agree with you, in that our society shouldn't tolerate vigilantes, but how far do we allow a thug like that to go on unchecked? Is it ok for everyone to stand around while he attacked another women, do we wait until he attacks 3 or 4; at what point is it ok for civilians to step in? Does it matter at all since it's the police's job to arrest thugs like that?

I think I remember someone brining up a gun, but I don't remember their point about it, but what if instead of the guy punching the girl he shot her. Is it ok for someone to then shoot the shooter after the first shot or wait until he shoots one other person?
Aug 6, 2010 10:57am
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Aug 6, 2010 10:58 AM
Steel Valley Football;443416 wrote:No, this is what you fail to see:

In the USA, it's not Huerta's job, or yours or mine or anyone walking the street, to deal out punishment to someone they feel is breaking the law.

I've never addressed how I feel about that guy hitting a woman. My opinion on that is irrelevant.

No it's not irrelevant pal. It's part of the story here.
Aug 6, 2010 10:58am
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Aug 6, 2010 11:30 AM
If anyone thinks Rogers deserves to go to jail you need to a lesson in what it takes to be a real man.
Aug 6, 2010 11:30am
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Aug 6, 2010 12:18 PM
Bigred1995;443528 wrote:I understand the point you're trying to make and to an extent I think most will agree with you, in that our society shouldn't tolerate vigilantes, but how far do we allow a thug like that to go on unchecked? Is it ok for everyone to stand around while he attacked another women, do we wait until he attacks 3 or 4; at what point is it ok for civilians to step in? Does it matter at all since it's the police's job to arrest thugs like that?

I think I remember someone brining up a gun, but I don't remember their point about it, but what if instead of the guy punching the girl he shot her. Is it ok for someone to then shoot the shooter after the first shot or wait until he shoots one other person?

I agree that if he was on a rampage he needs to be stopped, but that wasn't the case. He was away from the scene when UFC guy approached him. This is only speculation on my part, but UFC guy went to the spot where the puncher was looking to exact revenge or to stick his nose far enough into the business where he would able to fight the guy because he knew the likely outcome.

I can't really comment on your imaginary shooting event, but we could discuss it if you provided more detail.
Aug 6, 2010 12:18pm
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Aug 6, 2010 12:18 PM
Ankle Breaker;443532 wrote:No it's not irrelevant pal. It's part of the story here.


Um...no. My opinion is not part if the story.
Aug 6, 2010 12:18pm
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Aug 6, 2010 12:26 PM
Hb31187;442857 wrote:If you're a professional mixed martial artist, dont you get in more trouble then the average joe for physically harming someone. Since you're trained to do so? Or is that completely wrong


I think that's correct.
Aug 6, 2010 12:26pm
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Aug 6, 2010 12:45 PM
jmog;443426 wrote:If anyone breaks into my house, I'll make sure to ask them nicely to sit down until the police arrive once I have my gun out.

Or, if like I believe they would, they have a gun and I shoot them.

Sorry SVF, but you can't always sit around and sing Kumbaya until the police arrive, the perp will leave.
That's different though. Castle doctrine and all you're allowed to protect your house and are actually encouraged to. You are not encouraged to perform retaliatory acts of violence against people you think have acted wrongly (although the interview with Huerta indicates that the women hitter may have threatened him in which case it's a little bit different although he still went slightly outside of the law probably).

In any view the women beater would be in more of a legal snafu than Huerta.
Aug 6, 2010 12:45pm
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Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM
fan_from_texas;443618 wrote:I think that's correct.


A comment on Digg said that wasn't actually true. Unless you're 7 and still believe that or unless you're watching Con Air (never saw it so I'm not sure what that means). I personally have no idea, but would reason that the law isn't on the books; though maybe a judge could choose to make a harsher punishment possibly because of that.
Aug 6, 2010 12:46pm
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Aug 6, 2010 3:47 PM
I just wanted to point out that its been less then a year since Huertas last fight in the UFC when he lost to gray maynard by split decision
Aug 6, 2010 3:47pm
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Aug 6, 2010 6:14 PM
Steel Valley Football;443656 wrote:A comment on Digg said that wasn't actually true. Unless you're 7 and still believe that or unless you're watching Con Air (never saw it so I'm not sure what that means). I personally have no idea, but would reason that the law isn't on the books; though maybe a judge could choose to make a harsher punishment possibly because of that.
Digg is wrong. While obviously this is a state-specific question of law, some courts have found that the fists of a professionally trained boxer can constitute an assault with a deadly weapon. See, e.g., 74 Iowa L. Rev. 951 (1988-1989). In some states, a professional fighter's fists would make the crime worse, while in other states, not so much.
Aug 6, 2010 6:14pm
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Aug 6, 2010 6:21 PM
fan_from_texas;444081 wrote:Digg is wrong. While obviously this is a state-specific question of law, some courts have found that the fists of a professionally trained boxer can constitute an assault with a deadly weapon. See, e.g., 74 Iowa L. Rev. 951 (1988-1989). In some states, a professional fighter's fists would make the crime worse, while in other states, not so much.

Digg is often wrong...as is Ohio Chatter, JJFuddle, Yappi, Facebook, Twitter, or any site with user generated content (i.e. someone posted that).
Aug 6, 2010 6:21pm
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Aug 9, 2010 8:31 PM
Many valid points on this thread.

What is Huerta's job to inflict street justice? No. Did he do the "right" thing. Hell yes he did.
Aug 9, 2010 8:31pm
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Aug 9, 2010 9:57 PM
this makes the story about 10x better
Aug 9, 2010 9:57pm
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Aug 9, 2010 10:10 PM
Steel Valley Football;443608 wrote:Um...no. My opinion is not part if the story.

You have given your opinion many times here on Huerta whipping the big dude. So what's the difference in giving another opinion on the coward punching a woman? You can't get off that easy.

I'm not surprised to hear he was a D1 linebacker. He was a big dude, much bigger than Huerta or the lady.
Aug 9, 2010 10:10pm
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Aug 9, 2010 10:23 PM
He be the first one yelling and screaming if someone KO'd his mom, wife, sister, daughter and he wasn't there!!! He would be livid no one stepped into help out his family!! I am not saying what Roger did is right by the law but it is right in the street!!
Aug 9, 2010 10:23pm
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Aug 9, 2010 10:35 PM
Ankle Breaker;446932 wrote:You have given your opinion many times here on Huerta whipping the big dude. So what's the difference in giving another opinion on the coward punching a woman? You can't get off that easy.

I'm not surprised to hear he was a D1 linebacker. He was a big dude, much bigger than Huerta or the lady.

I said I never gave my opinion. I didn't say I didn't have one.

I also never gave my opinion on Huerta fighting big black LB - I only addressed the legality of it. It obviously isn't legal to assault someone. Just as obvious is that it's not legal to assault someone in revenge for assaulting someone else.

How's that?
Aug 9, 2010 10:35pm
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Aug 9, 2010 10:37 PM
Fab1b;446945 wrote:He be the first one yelling and screaming if someone KO'd his mom, wife, sister, daughter and he wasn't there!!! He would be livid no one stepped into help out his family!! I am not saying what Roger did is right by the law but it is right in the street!!


You don't know me so don't post about what I would or wouldn't yell or scream.

Thanks!
Aug 9, 2010 10:37pm
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Aug 9, 2010 10:40 PM
Steel Valley Football;446958 wrote:You don't know me so don't post about what I would or wouldn't yell or scream.

Thanks!

I hope you're kidding.

So how would you feel if this woman was your mom, wife, sister or daughter?
Aug 9, 2010 10:40pm
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Aug 9, 2010 10:41 PM
Steel Valley Football;446958 wrote:You don't know me so don't post about what I would or wouldn't yell or scream.

Thanks!

Well I did

Welcome
Aug 9, 2010 10:41pm
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Aug 9, 2010 10:42 PM
Also the law may win but street justice serves its purpose sometimes, this being one of them!!
Aug 9, 2010 10:42pm
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Aug 9, 2010 11:51 PM
Fab1b;446964 wrote:Well I did

Welcome

Like an ignorant fuck you did.
Aug 9, 2010 11:51pm