Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:10pm
karen lotz;432317 wrote:this
How so.....Pryor is a good QB.....and just because he doesn't throw great does not mean he is not a good QB and one of the Top 3 at his position......He is a dual threat QB
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:11pm
Hb31187;432318 wrote:He made play, singular. That play vs Purdue. Other than that, his job was to hand off to Clarett and not fuck up
I disagree.....He made plays all year....
karen lotz
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Jul 25, 2010 10:12pm
Tiger how about we agree on this. You and your fellow "realistic" buckeye fans can say Pryor is a top 3 quarterback and whatever else you want to believe. Fans from every other team in the country who are on this site will respectfully disagree.
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:14pm
karen lotz;432321 wrote:Tiger how about we agree on this. You and your fellow "realistic" buckeye fans can say Pryor is a top 3 quarterback and whatever else you want to believe. Fans from every other team in the country who are on this site will respectfully disagree.
We will see come season end....Who is your team
karen lotz
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Jul 25, 2010 10:17pm
Tiger2003;432323 wrote:We will see come season end....Who is your team
Notre Dame
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:19pm
karen lotz;432325 wrote:Notre Dame
So you probably think your boy Jimmy was the best QB last year....
karen lotz
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Jul 25, 2010 10:21pm
Tiger2003;432328 wrote:So you probably think your boy Jimmy was the best QB last year....
He certainly was in the top 3.
KR1245
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Jul 25, 2010 10:22pm
Hb31187;432318 wrote:He made play, singular. That play vs Purdue. Other than that, his job was to hand off to Clarett and not fuck up
Connecting with Jenkins on 4th and 14 in the Fiesta Bowl wasnt that bad either.
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:22pm
karen lotz;432332 wrote:He certainly was in the top 3.
Agree.....but is passing the only thing that makes a QB good and be a top 3 QB?
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:23pm
KR1245;432333 wrote:Connecting with Jenkins on 4th and 14 in the Fiesta Bowl wasnt that bad either.
Thank you....Oh he was the leading rusher in that game to.....also I remember a scramble he made to give the Buckeyes the go ahead TD vs Cincy.
Hb31187
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Jul 25, 2010 10:23pm
KR1245;432333 wrote:Connecting with Jenkins on 4th and 14 in the Fiesta Bowl wasnt that bad either.
Was he a play maker, or an average QB playing with a great defense behind him and a beast of a RB?
karen lotz
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Jul 25, 2010 10:24pm
No but when your passing ability ranks you near the bottom of the Big Ten, it doesn't matter how good of a runner you are. You are not an elite quarterback. Elite athlete yes, QB not a chance.Tiger2003;432334 wrote:Agree.....but is passing the only thing that makes a QB good and be a top 3 QB?
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:25pm
I think he was a Good QB......with a great defense....that beast of a running back was not there all year long....and they still won.
CinciX12
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Jul 25, 2010 10:25pm
I dont think we are all on the same page.
Yes, Pryor did do better towards the end of the season, but that was largely IMO because of the knee injury making him hesitant to run all the time. With a healthy knee I think he regresses a little bit because he will be more comfortable taking off.
Yes, Pryor did do better towards the end of the season, but that was largely IMO because of the knee injury making him hesitant to run all the time. With a healthy knee I think he regresses a little bit because he will be more comfortable taking off.
KR1245
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Jul 25, 2010 10:26pm
Hb31187;432336 wrote:Was he a play maker, or an average QB playing with a great defense behind him and a beast of a RB?
He had a couple huge plays in the game up in Madison as well. Krenzel wasnt a great player but to say the guy only made one play is just plain stupid
Hb31187
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Jul 25, 2010 10:26pm
Tiger2003;432338 wrote:I think he was a Good QB......with a great defense....that beast of a running back was not there all year long....and they still won.
Lol If you really think Krenzel is better then everyone i named then Idk what to tell you honestly. Since the BCS, id venture to say he has had the worst stats of a starting QB to win the title. I may be wrong, but I bet hes either worst, or 2nd worst. And easily has worse stats then everyone I listed.
Hes an average QB who played on a GREAT team
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:29pm
karen lotz;432337 wrote:No but when your passing ability ranks you near the bottom of the Big Ten, it doesn't matter how good of a runner you are. You are not an elite quarterback. Elite athlete yes, QB not a chance.
Ohio State: was last in Passing Attempts, Threw the 2nd fewest INT, T5 Passing TD.... So yah the yard won't be there.
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:31pm
Hb31187;432342 wrote:Lol If you really think Krenzel is better then everyone i named then Idk what to tell you honestly. Since the BCS, id venture to say he has had the worst stats of a starting QB to win the title. I may be wrong, but I bet hes either worst, or 2nd worst. And easily has worse stats then everyone I listed.
Hes an average QB who played on a GREAT team
The quarterback is the leader of the team.....and he was clutch under pressure.....He was a good qb on a great team that won a National Title against Miami and it wasn't even supposed to be a game.
karen lotz
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Jul 25, 2010 10:39pm
Tiger2003;432345 wrote:Ohio State: was last in Passing Attempts, Threw the 2nd fewest INT, T5 Passing TD.... So yah the yard won't be there.
Passing efficiency is what I was going by. That takes more into account than yards. If you are using the passing attempts argument, that also means the opportunities for INT would be less which would explain the second fewest INTs. 18 TD vs 11 INTs. He was 8th out of 10 ranked in the passing rankings (minnesota's QB was not ranked at all). Freshman Tate Forcier and the QB from INDIANA were the only two ranked lower. Good try Mr. Realistic.
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TheMightyGators
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Jul 25, 2010 10:42pm
I would say you are right. Krenzel's stats that year have to be the worst of any starting QB to win a BCS championship.Hb31187;432342 wrote:Lol If you really think Krenzel is better then everyone i named then Idk what to tell you honestly. Since the BCS, id venture to say he has had the worst stats of a starting QB to win the title. I may be wrong, but I bet hes either worst, or 2nd worst. And easily has worse stats then everyone I listed.
Hes an average QB who played on a GREAT team
Saying Krenzel was average that year might be giving him too much credit. They won with their defense and some very good fortune.
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:48pm
karen lotz;432353 wrote:Passing efficiency is what I was going by. That takes more into account than yards. If you are using the passing attempts argument, that also means the opportunities for INT would be less which would explain the second fewest INTs. 18 TD vs 11 INTs. He was 8th out of 10 ranked in the passing rankings (minnesota's QB was not ranked at all). Freshman Tate Forcier and the QB from INDIANA were the only two ranked lower. Good try Mr. Realistic.
Mr Realistic you are right...I am.....After the Purdue game....Pryor really started playing like a 5 star qb should. 8 Td to 3 ints......He has made great improvement.....and I am sticking to my Top 3 QB ranking.
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TheMightyGators
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Jul 25, 2010 10:51pm
Tiger2003;432364 wrote:Mr Realistic you are right...I am.....After the Purdue game....Pryor really started playing like a 5 star qb should. 8 Td to 3 ints......He has made great improvement.....and I am sticking to my Top 3 QB ranking.
Do you have McElroy as your #1 qb? Above average stats with a 14-0 record.
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dat dude
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Jul 25, 2010 10:56pm
Pryor isn't a top 3 QB in the traditional sense, no way. He is, however, a top 3 candidate for the Heisman Trophy.
Tiger2003
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Jul 25, 2010 10:57pm
TheMightyGators;432369 wrote:Do you have McElroy as your #1 qb? Above average stats with a 14-0 record.
1. McElroy is number 1 why wouldn't he be....he wins games....he doesn't make mistakes and always give his team a chance to win the game.
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TheMightyGators
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Jul 25, 2010 11:02pm
I didn't realize football became an individual sport. I guess it makes sense then that Krenzel was the best QB in 2002. "Mr. Realistic" LOLTiger2003;432377 wrote:1. McElroy is number 1 why wouldn't he be....he wins games....he doesn't make mistakes and always give his team a chance to win the game.