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Jul 10, 2010 9:50 PM
Seriously, I don't watch the Phillies. What has he done?
Jul 10, 2010 9:50pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:50 PM
mhs95_06;419830 wrote:What is BP doing? Just giving away a pitch to hit!

It just gets him one strike closer to having two strikes, at which time, as a right handed batter, he'll be at the mercy of the low outside Lidge slider. Just like Hanigan was once he got two strikes. Got to do the damage before two strikes!
Jul 10, 2010 9:50pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:51 PM
Jughead;419846 wrote:Outside of last night, what has Howard done this year? And I really doubt that it gets to him anyway.

Howard: BA. Just under .300, 17 HR, 65 RBI
Jul 10, 2010 9:51pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:52 PM
Jughead;419852 wrote:Seriously, I don't watch the Phillies. What has he done?

Leading NL in RBI, has 17 HRs. He isn't having the best overall season but he has been pretty good in producing runs.
Jul 10, 2010 9:52pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:52 PM
Lets Go Howard
Jul 10, 2010 9:52pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:54 PM
Very well then. I know he has led the NL in HR for the last few years, just haven't followed much baseball this year.
Jul 10, 2010 9:54pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:56 PM
here comes a strike out
Jul 10, 2010 9:56pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:56 PM
karen lotz;419856 wrote:Leading NL in RBI, has 17 HRs. He isn't having the best overall season but he has been pretty good in producing runs.

RBIs aren't a very good stat IMO. All it means is that you're a good hitter, and the guys ahead of you get on base. Imagine how many RBIs Joey Votto has if he has Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino, or Jayson Werth ahead of him instead of the black hole Orlando Cabrera.
Jul 10, 2010 9:56pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:57 PM
Jughead;419859 wrote:Very well then. I know he has led the NL in HR for the last few years, just haven't followed much baseball this year.

He's better than Adam Dunn, but strikes out just about as much as him.
Jul 10, 2010 9:57pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:58 PM
Mooney44Cards;419868 wrote:RBIs aren't a very good stat IMO. All it means is that you're a good hitter, and the guys ahead of you get on base. Imagine how many RBIs Joey Votto has if he has Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino, or Jayson Werth ahead of him instead of the black hole Orlando Cabrera.

Your an idiot.....IMO
Jul 10, 2010 9:58pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:58 PM
Rollins has missed 80% of the season. Utley has missed significant time. The Phillies also went in a 6-week, unprecedented slump, especially given their lineup.
Jul 10, 2010 9:58pm
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mhs95_06

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Jul 10, 2010 9:58 PM
Very nice play by Phillips and Cabrera to keep the winning run from advancing to 2nd on Howard's dribbler.
Jul 10, 2010 9:58pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:59 PM
To the 11th we go
Jul 10, 2010 9:59pm
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Jul 10, 2010 9:59 PM
11th Inning here we come....
Jul 10, 2010 9:59pm
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mhs95_06

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Jul 10, 2010 9:59 PM
Nice job by Bray. Howard is 0/8 with 4 Ks against Bray.
Jul 10, 2010 9:59pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:00 PM
The Reds have scored the most runs in the national league, obviously Cabrera and the rest of the lineup can't be that bad.
Jul 10, 2010 10:00pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:01 PM
Tiger2003;419870 wrote:Your an idiot.....IMO

Personal attacks aren't allowed on here. IMO

If you wanna talk baseball though, the adults in here are doing just fine at it.

I love when people use improper English to call someone an idiot.
Jul 10, 2010 10:01pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:03 PM
karen lotz;419878 wrote:The Reds have scored the most runs in the national league, obviously Cabrera and the rest of the lineup can't be that bad.

Yah no shit....
Jul 10, 2010 10:03pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:07 PM
karen lotz;419878 wrote:The Reds have scored the most runs in the national league, obviously Cabrera and the rest of the lineup can't be that bad.

No, but my point is that the guys that are having pretty good years are batting behind Votto. Cabrera has a .282 OBP, Jayson Werth .367, Victorino .324, Rollins .354

I'm not knocking Howard, but you plug in any one of those 3 guys in instead of Cabrera and you can add maybe 10-20 RBI to Votto's numbers. RBI are important, but it depends a lot on who bats in front of you, and for that reason I think it means less than things like OPS.
Jul 10, 2010 10:07pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:08 PM
Mooney44Cards;419889 wrote:No, but my point is that the guys that are having pretty good years are batting behind Votto. Cabrera has a .282 OBP, Jayson Werth .367, Victorino .324, Rollins .354

I'm not knocking Howard, but you plug in any one of those 3 guys in instead of Cabrera and you can add maybe 10-20 RBI to Votto's numbers. RBI are important, but it depends a lot on who bats in front of you, and for that reason I think it means less than things like OPS.

fair enough as long as we can subtract 10-20 RBI's from both Votto and Howard for playing in little league parks :D
Jul 10, 2010 10:08pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:08 PM
Mooney44Cards;419889 wrote:No, but my point is that the guys that are having pretty good years are batting behind Votto. Cabrera has a .282 OBP, Jayson Werth .367, Victorino .324, Rollins .354

I'm not knocking Howard, but you plug in any one of those 3 guys in instead of Cabrera and you can add maybe 10-20 RBI to Votto's numbers. RBI are important, but it depends a lot on who bats in front of you, and for that reason I think it means less than things like OPS.
Good Point but how are runs scored?
Jul 10, 2010 10:08pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:09 PM
Werth always hits 5th or 6th.

Rollins has missed 80% of the season.

If it was a "normal" Phillies year, Howard has 80+ RBI's. I'm on the side of Votto, he's having a better year, but the Phils have underachieved.
Jul 10, 2010 10:09pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:11 PM
Just think of all the different lineups the Phillies have had.....The Reds have not had that problem....
Jul 10, 2010 10:11pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:12 PM
Damn lets get this runner in....Come on Phillies....
Jul 10, 2010 10:12pm
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Jul 10, 2010 10:15 PM
karen lotz;419892 wrote:fair enough as long as we can subtract 10-20 RBI's from both Votto and Howard for playing in little league parks :D

Only if we add 1.5-2.0 to all the pitchers' ERAs who pitch in places like San Diego, Oakland, Seattle, etc.
Jul 10, 2010 10:15pm