jmog;416920 wrote:Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, and Iraq. All "middle east" countries either ran by, or with strong radical Islamic ties. So, lets not act like radical Islam is such a small percentage over in the Middle East. Maybe its a small percentage of the Muslims here in the US, but in the ME, not so much.

Even if you counter with "well most of Iran is not radical just the leadership", they still hold the power.

None of those countries you listed are run by radical Islamic extremist. None of them. Even Ahmadinejad, as nuts as he is, is not an Islamic extremist.

Ahmadinejad is a crazy asshole but he's a traditionalist Muslim right? Not what we think of as an Islamic extremist. Thinking women should be covered up and arranged marriages are cool does not = wanting to bomb the US because we like Ipods and are western.

Footwedge;417364 wrote:Fundamentalist Christians promote religious wars. There just isn't anything Christlike in promoting religious wars.

I'll ask you the same thing...Can you give me one credible non-biased source to back-up your claim? I'm assuming you're referring to modern evangelical Christians. Leave the Crusades out of this.

I have this odd propensity for hanging out with evangelical Christians at least once a week. I've visited many churches, talked with a lot of pastors, and even headed up a men's ministry or two and I have NEVER ever heard a single Christian preach, teach, suggest, or even hint at promoting "religious wars."

Footie, you're - um - "killing" me!

Footwedge;417376 wrote:None of those countries you listed are run by radical Islamic extremist. None of them. Even Ahmadinejad, as nuts as he is, is not an Islamic extremist.

You're right...he's just a puppet of the Grand Ayatollah Ali Hoseyni Khamene’i...Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Footwedge;417376 wrote:None of those countries you listed are run by radical Islamic extremist. None of them. Even Ahmadinejad, as nuts as he is, is not an Islamic extremist.

Right, Ahmadinejad is just a nice guy who's misunderstood.

You seemed to forget Palestine which is run by Hamas.

I also did not say they were all RAN by Muslim extremists, I said they were either run by them or had strong ties to them. Read the post again, reading comprehension is the key.

hey footwedge, please answer the question.

jmog;417518 wrote:Right, Ahmadinejad is just a nice guy who's misunderstood.

You seemed to forget Palestine which is run by Hamas.

I also did not say they were all RAN by Muslim extremists, I said they were either run by them or had strong ties to them. Read the post again, reading comprehension is the key.

Ahmadinejad isn't a nice guy or a Muslim extremist.

I Wear Pants;418073 wrote:Ahmadinejad isn't a nice guy or a Muslim extremist.

You're right...he's just a puppet of the Grand Ayatollah Ali Hoseyni Khamene’i...Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

I'd say the women of Iran would probably disagree with the statement that Ahmadinejad isn't a Muslim extremist -- probably a few gays, too, if they hadn't already been hanged or beheaded.

Writerbuckeye;419142 wrote:I'd say the women of Iran would probably disagree with the statement that Ahmadinejad isn't a Muslim extremist -- probably a few gays, too, if they hadn't already been hanged or beheaded.

Yeah it amazes me that it's the leftists on this forum who defend clowns like Ahmadinejad but turn a blind eye to matters in these benevolent Muslim countries that would have their liberal panties in a bunch if those racist, sexist, and homophobic issues were to occur in - just for example - Arizona.

believer;418600 wrote:You're right...he's just a puppet of the Grand Ayatollah Ali Hoseyni Khamene’i...Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Isn't that Grand guy more of an Islamic traditionalist (women get no rights, etc) than a Muslim extremist (blow up the West)?

You seem to think that any Islamic leader/government is bad.

Islamic traditionalist = don't like women, gays, etc

Islamic Extremist = want to blow up Western things for being western.

Do I agree with the policies in Iran? Hell no.

That'd be like you calling Hitler a communist and me saying "well, he really isn't a communist. More of a fascist" and you responding with "look at this leftist defending Hitler".

Just because I don't think Ahmadinejad is necessarily what I consider a Muslim extremist (and we might have different operating definitions of that so...) doesn't mean I'm defending him or agree with him at all.

I wonder when NASA will have an outreach program for the Hindu's, the people who worship heads of lettuce, or those scallawags who pray for the locusts to come?

believer;418600 wrote:You're right...he's just a puppet of the Grand Ayatollah Ali Hoseyni Khamene’i...Supreme Leader of the Extremist Islamic Republic of Iran.

There I fixed it for you, WB and Jmog. It's a shame that the brutal dictator Shah doesn't still run the joint.

^^^Brutal perhaps but U.S. friendly and not threatening to blow Israel off the map. Anti-American, Israel-hating Extremist Islamic Republic of Iran is hardly kind to its citizens.

So brutal and US friendly = okay?

I'm sorry, but if you want to annhiliate an entire country, that's EXTREME by any definition. So is cutting the heads of gays and killing women who have the audacity to be raped. You can call it traditional all you like, but I bet one hell of a lot of muslims would disagree...you remember them: the same Muslims you folks trot out all the time to show us that not all of Islam wants Americans dead.

But they are two different things. Unless you want to call every crazy/asshole Muslim a Muslim extremist which would make the word sort of useless. I'm specifically using the word to define those Muslims that feel it is their god defined mission to kill people with Western ideals and from western nations. People like Al-Qaeda.

Yes it is extreme to want to wipe out Israel and kill gays and women.

Who remembers Ronald Reagan's speech regarding partnering with the Soviet Union on space exploration? Anyone? Imagine that....Reagan and NASA bowing to the Kremlin.

Also...it is interesting to note that the evil Muslims outpace mainstream America in average income and education across the board.

http://www.allied-media.com/AM/

Footwedge;420045 wrote:Also...it is interesting to note that the evil Muslims outpace mainstream America in average income and education across the board.

Footie, You amaze me. Not all Muslims are radical, but radical Islam is certainly a powerful, powerful influence in the Muslim world particularly the Middle East. Your clever link describes Muslim Americans. Not quite so radical (probably due to their American education) but influenced by the jihadists nonetheless.

What Press Secy doesn't lie for their President?

gibby08;423209 wrote:What Press Secy doesn't lie for their President?

Better question: Do you think Gibbs convinced anybody in his backpeddling speech?

Also, do you think it's a good idea for the Obama admin. to backpeddle instead of owning their own initiatives?
OR
Is it better to throw the line out there, see what kind of bites you get, and then lie when you don't get the results you were hoping for?

When will some people wake-up ........How many have to be thrown under the bus before they start to understand that the Obama Public Servant agenda is never in the best interest of anyone but Obama. Positive react Obama credit .....negative reaction under the bus you go.........Charles Frank "Charlie" Bolden, Jr you just been rolled over bro.

http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2010/07/12/opinion/doc4c3a9dcedf50f416225428.txt


Great editorial on the whole stupid idea. NASA should be spending money on dveloping technology for space exploration, not 'community' scientific education. NASA provides high tech engineering jobs that push the envelope....jobs that might not be available or cost effective in the private sector.