8-10 wins next year, the D will improve and the qb position will be improved (who ever it is)

where are the other 5 wins going to come from? Indiana will be improved, so will Illinois, Purdue is on the upswing again, and Wisconsin is a great club...

And for the record, I though the "Tate for Heisman" was ridiculous at the time.

My point exactly, you can lump a whole fan base into one stereotype.

Dear Tate,

You're not that good and were extremely overmatched yesterday. You should probably worry about your own job before anything else.

WebFire wrote:

se-alum wrote:
Let's be honest, alot of UM fans went from "Tate for Heisman" to "Where's Devin Gardner?".

Honestly, a lot of UM fans have said all along that Gardner is the next great QB. Some, including myself, have wondered if Tate will transfer after Gardner takes over, whenever that may be. And this was while Tate was hot.

I haven't seen near the outcry about Tate as you suggest, or as much as there was about Pryor.

And for the record, I though the "Tate for Heisman" was ridiculous at the time.

Honestly, you are the only one (if you did in fact say that). Last season all we heard about was Tate Forcier. Now all we'll hear about is Garnder. I'm not saying you didn't want Gardner, but don't say alot of UM fans wanted Gardner even when Tate was hot, because that is simply untrue.

OldDanTucker wrote: 8-10 wins next year, the D will improve and the qb position will be improved (who ever it is)

If Tate Forcier is the QB, the QB position will improve. If they try to throw Gardner in there right away, you'll see this season all over again.

I'm sorry Michigan fans, but next season is looking like another tough one.

darbypitcher22 wrote: where are the other 5 wins going to come from? Indiana will be improved, so will Illinois, Purdue is on the upswing again, and Wisconsin is a great club...

Illinois will not be improved Benn will leave and Juice is gone. Purdue? Really? They had a nice little run this year but sorry not happening they have to replace there QB and isn't there stud wr Valentine a senior as well? I see them winning at least 3 of the non-conf games (maybe 4 if Claussen, floyd, and tate are gone for ND) Then in the big10 msu, wisconsin, iowa, psu, and o$u are the toss up games(they can win at least 1). The top two teams next year will most likely be o$u and wisonsin next year. Then I see it being between msu, iowa, psu and mich battling for 3rd in the conference. The D will be better for Michigan next year (they only lose 1 guy) the whole D is basicly fresh/soph or guys starting for the first time. Other then O$U's they will probably have the best DL in the big10, and those young DB's will improve.

dwccrew wrote:

WebFire wrote:

se-alum wrote:
Let's be honest, alot of UM fans went from "Tate for Heisman" to "Where's Devin Gardner?".

Honestly, a lot of UM fans have said all along that Gardner is the next great QB. Some, including myself, have wondered if Tate will transfer after Gardner takes over, whenever that may be. And this was while Tate was hot.

I haven't seen near the outcry about Tate as you suggest, or as much as there was about Pryor.

And for the record, I though the "Tate for Heisman" was ridiculous at the time.

Honestly, you are the only one (if you did in fact say that). Last season all we heard about was Tate Forcier. Now all we'll hear about is Garnder. I'm not saying you didn't want Gardner, but don't say alot of UM fans wanted Gardner even when Tate was hot, because that is simply untrue.

OldDanTucker wrote: 8-10 wins next year, the D will improve and the qb position will be improved (who ever it is)

If Tate Forcier is the QB, the QB position will improve. If they try to throw Gardner in there right away, you'll see this season all over again.

I'm sorry Michigan fans, but next season is looking like another tough one.

If they start Devin Gardner next year over tate how would that not be an improvment? Obviously if he is starting then he is better then Tate (in his second year) which would be an improvment from tate in his first year.

well I definately dont see them beating Iowa, Penn State, or Wisconsin.

OldDanTucker wrote:
If they start Devin Gardner next year over tate how would that not be an improvment? Obviously if he is starting then he is better then Tate (in his second year) which would be an improvment from tate in his first year.

Again, Gardner will not be an improvement. It'll be the same thing that UM went through with Tate this season. I'm sorry, but you can't throw a true freshman in there and expect him to win games. It doesn't happen often.

RR proved he panics too quickly and tried to get Robinson in too much and didn't allow Forcier to get into any groove. Forcier's regression was completely RR's fault.