jmog;484895 wrote: Unfortunately judges nowadays tend to pay no attention to the Constitution and choose for themselves what the law SHOULD say, not what it actually does say.

False

BoatShoes;485064 wrote:False

Your opinion

You have to remember that activist judges don't see themselves as being activist. They see themselves as merely interpreting the law. But it's a plain simple fact that the process of interpreting the law actually creates law. That's what I was taught in law school. (No, I'm not an attorney. I dropped out before I finished because I didn't like it. But at least I learned something.)

Yes, I am biased in my agenda. We all are. No matter what you believe, you want the legislatures and courts to side with you. That's why we have elections.

I find it odd that one of you accused me of not being tolerant. My agenda is for everyone to have the same human rights, regardless of their religion, skin color, sexuality, age, or anything else. I don't think I can be any more tolerant than that.

jmog;484895 wrote:Unfortunately judges nowadays tend to pay no attention to the Constitution and choose for themselves what the law SHOULD say, not what it actually does say.

True....on both sides of the aisle.

This thread is just one big pile of poo

Judges are supposed to rule based on the law. This interpretation bullshit is years of subtle change and brainwashing that has made it a common occurrence. And now we simply see it as just how it is.

FairwoodKing;485139 wrote:
I find it odd that one of you accused me of not being tolerant. My agenda is for everyone to have the same human rights, regardless of their religion, skin color, sexuality, age, or anything else. I don't think I can be any more tolerant than that.

I didn't accuse you, but in reality a lot of your posts have been extremely "anti-Christian" and you have come out and said that people who believe homosexuality is "wrong" need to change their views to be more like yours. In that respect, its the definition of being intolerable.

Now, I am fully aware that while I believe homosexuality to be wrong, you do not and I say "fine, believe what you want, its your choice. But don't make me change my beliefs and I won't try to change yours".

FairwoodKing;485139 wrote:...

Yes, I am biased in my agenda. We all are. No matter what you believe, you want the legislatures and courts to side with you. That's why we have elections.

I find it odd that one of you accused me of not being tolerant. My agenda is for everyone to have the same human rights, regardless of their religion, skin color, sexuality, age, or anything else. I don't think I can be any more tolerant than that.

I don't want the courts to side with me if I am wrong. There are more intelligent people in this world than I. Based on what I know I have formed an opinion that I think is correct however I am not a judge. I am glad that others who are more qualified than me make such decisions.

You, on the other hand, have been clear that you want them to decide in your favor even if a judge believes differently.

Your way and what's best for you isn't always what's right and best for all or even constitutional. Your unwillingness to accept the judgment of a more qualified individual or group of individuals is an indication of a lack of tolerance.

Con_Alma;485754 wrote:I don't want the courts to side with me if I am wrong. There are more intelligent people in this world than I. Based on what I know I have formed an opinion that I think is correct however I am not a judge. I am glad that others who are more qualified than me make such decisions.

You, on the other hand, have been clear that you want them to decide in your favor even if a judge believes differently.

Your way and what's best for you isn't always what's right and best for all or even constitutional. Your unwillingness to accept the judgment of a more qualified individual or group of individuals is an indication of a lack of tolerance.

I couldn't have put it better myself, that's exactly how I would characterize FWK.

I am fighting against centuries of intolerance of the gay world. We have been burnt at the stake, thrown in prison, and denied membership to the armed services. We have been kicked out of our homes and denied jobs. We have been opposed by Christians, Jews, Muslims, Nazis, Communists, the KKK, and all sorts of other groups.

This bullship has got to stop. There is nothing wrong with the way we are or what we do. What is wrong is the way we are treated.

I will continue to fight all the bigots who try to deny us our human rights.

FWK-Please tell me what "human rights" gays are denied in 2010 in the USA.

I'm not going to argue with decades and centuries ago, you are right, homosexuals were persecuted.

However, today, in the US, what human rights are denied.

I know we've already gone round and round with this, but you can not prove one single human right that gays are denied in America.

jmog;486252 wrote:FWK-Please tell me what "human rights" gays are denied in 2010 in the USA.

I'm not going to argue with decades and centuries ago, you are right, homosexuals were persecuted.

However, today, in the US, what human rights are denied.

I know we've already gone round and round with this, but you can not prove one single human right that gays are denied in America.

In the state of Ohio, a gay person could be evicted from an apartment or fired from a job solely for being gay. There is nothing in the state's anti-discrimination law to prevent it.

Yeah right. Even if that were true, the gay person would then sue and be awarded millions in damages. Trying to act like the law allows someone to be fired for being gay or evicted. Please. I don't own any property, but do you know how hard it is to evict a "normal" person from a building? Like gays can just be thrown out on the streets. You need to stop sensationalizing your "discrimination". There's no one throwing gay people out on the streets for being gay or getting fired from a job.

tk421;486467 wrote:Yeah right. Even if that were true, the gay person would then sue and be awarded millions in damages. Trying to act like the law allows someone to be fired for being gay or evicted. Please. I don't own any property, but do you know how hard it is to evict a "normal" person from a building? Like gays can just be thrown out on the streets. You need to stop sensationalizing your "discrimination". There's no one throwing gay people out on the streets for being gay or getting fired from a job.

You don't know what you're talking about, so go troll somewhere else.

Please, show me one person who has ever been evicted or fired for being "gay". Hell, you can hardly evict a drug dealer without tons of hassle. Also, Ohio is an at will work state, unless a boss calls someone a queer before firing them, no one would ever be able to "prove" that they were fired for being gay. You're just making crap up.

tk421;486564 wrote:Please, show me one person who has ever been evicted or fired for being "gay". Hell, you can hardly evict a drug dealer without tons of hassle. Also, Ohio is an at will work state, unless a boss calls someone a queer before firing them, no one would ever be able to "prove" that they were fired for being gay. You're just making crap up.

That's bullshit. If we had our legal rights, we wouldn't be fighting for them.

FairwoodKing;486465 wrote:In the state of Ohio, a gay person could be evicted from an apartment or fired from a job solely for being gay. There is nothing in the state's anti-discrimination law to prevent it.

We've gone over that many times, and in the state of Ohio, it has not happened in at least a couple decades. People know they would be sued. Just because there is no criminal law, doesn't mean civil action couldn't be taken and the gay person would win.

Again, no right is being denied by your claim here as no one is being fired or evicted in Ohio for being gay. Unless you can provide me a link of an example, I call BS.

FairwoodKing;486597 wrote:That's bullshit. If we had our legal rights, we wouldn't be fighting for them.

What legal right are you denied, you still haven't given one.

I can be fired in Ohio just because I'm heterosexual, so is that discrimination? No, that's just an at will state. He's a little more "brash" than me, but TK is right, no homosexual in Ohio is being thrown out on the street for being gay.

Anyone who's ever been a land lord knows how hard it is to get someone evicted, you are sensationalizing big time FWK and you know it.

i think that while on the record their are protections for gay's it would be very ignorant to think that they don't get discriminated against "off the record" in many different situations just like other groups and minorities. Bigotry and racism and homophobia are still very rampant in this country. I ll give an example. I read a lot of my news on websites like cnn, yahoo etc... at the bottom of every article people can comment. Under most articles you only have to read one or two comments before someone calls someone the N word or Fag or something like that. there still are lots of poeple who are predjudiced toward many diff groups. probably more than some would admit to. at times these types may be landlords, or hr reps in companies and im sure that discrimination happens often very quietly

Gblock;486967 wrote:i think that while on the record their are protections for gay's it would be very ignorant to think that they don't get discriminated against "off the record" in many different situations just like other groups and minorities. Bigotry and racism and homophobia are still very rampant in this country. I ll give an example. I read a lot of my news on websites like cnn, yahoo etc... at the bottom of every article people can comment. Under most articles you only have to read one or two comments before someone calls someone the N word or Fag or something like that. there still are lots of poeple who are predjudiced toward many diff groups. probably more than some would admit to. at times these types may be landlords, or hr reps in companies and im sure that discrimination happens often very quietly

I'm not saying that discrimination doesn't exist on personal levels, or even business levels. There are plenty of bigots out there.

However, in your example, there is just a big a chance of a homophobe being an HR director as a homosexual being an HR director, and on the same topic a homoseuxal "might" show favortism to another homosexual vs a heterosexual in a hiring situation.

I'm not saying its right either way, just saying it might happen and it might not, but either way it happens both ways.

I am in the process of applying for teaching positions at the eight colleges and universities local to Steubenville. Only one of them-- Ohio Univ. Eastern in St. Clairsville-- has sexual orientation included in their non-discrimination policy. The others simply mimic their state's law on non-discrimination.

If I want a job at Franciscan University of Steubenville, I will have to go back into the closet. I can clearly imagine getting fired if I get a job there and they find out I'm gay. And since it's in Ohio, I wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. Don't misunderstand-- I don't advertise that I am gay. I would never bring it up in a job interview nor would I discuss it in classes I teach because it is no one else's business. But I wouldn't hesitate to mention that I sing with Renaissance City Men's Choir in Pittsburgh. Anyone who knows anything about the choir knows that it is a gay organization.

This thread is complete and utter bullshit...close it down and bury it in fairwoods dutt

DeyDurkie5;487468 wrote:This thread is complete and utter bullshit...close it down and bury it in fairwoods dutt

Why don't you go fuck yourself!!!

I think all the Gays should move to California and live the life that they love. Just my opinion.

Art Modell;488494 wrote:I think all the Gays should move to California and live the life that they love. Just my opinion.

We're not going anywhere. Get over it.