Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Mar 5, 2011 12:18pm
So NO business is being taxed to the point that it threatens the jobs of employees -- ANYWHERE?
That's fucking amazing. I'm sure you must have a link to prove this, so I'd love to see it.
That's fucking amazing. I'm sure you must have a link to prove this, so I'd love to see it.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 5, 2011 12:28pm
Just so I'm understanding you, if businesses pay no taxes they do not; therefore, create wealth? So wealth only comes from businesses if and when they are taxed? The only way businesses create wealth and therefore jobs is if they are properly taxed?BoatShoes;700109 wrote:You say "the ones that actually create wealth and feed the public tax pig" but how can that possibly be true when they pay zero income taxes. By definition that is false. Yet, you repeat, ad nauseum false talking points. Now, I don't mean to demonize the corporate world, but your blind allegiance to it is at least as bad as a union man's blind allegiance to union life.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Mar 5, 2011 1:19pm
Speaking of the thread title, here's some more disgust - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hhs-secretary-acknowledges-obamacare-budget-tricks/
Apparently, in the land of Geithner, Sibelius, Pelosi and Reid, $500,000,000,000 can be used on BOTH sides of a balance sheet...depending on which audience is receiving the sermon. Just better hope that videos and texts never surface of the duality. Or hope that you don't get exposed in front of a House Subcommittee. Oops, Kathleen. Now you've admitted the truth, so you'll have to go bye bye.
Sure am glad they had to pass this unconstitutional POS in order to find out what's in it.
Apparently, in the land of Geithner, Sibelius, Pelosi and Reid, $500,000,000,000 can be used on BOTH sides of a balance sheet...depending on which audience is receiving the sermon. Just better hope that videos and texts never surface of the duality. Or hope that you don't get exposed in front of a House Subcommittee. Oops, Kathleen. Now you've admitted the truth, so you'll have to go bye bye.
Sure am glad they had to pass this unconstitutional POS in order to find out what's in it.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Mar 5, 2011 3:27pm
And of course, the mainstream media is all over this shell game. Oh wait...
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 5, 2011 4:17pm
Ty Webb;698661 wrote:Do you even honestly know what a marxist or communist really is?
Because if you did,you would not make the statement you just did
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50703.html
Let me repeat .... putting the means to production off limits to the citizens ----- communism.
Change we can believe in ...........
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 5, 2011 4:33pm
Oh, please. You are not helping. I'm not a fan of the Department's view either, they should open back up the drilling areas with increased regulation.QuakerOats;700329 wrote:http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50703.html
Let me repeat .... putting the means to production off limits to the citizens ----- communism.
Change we can believe in ...........
But, to equate that to communism is a huuuuge step. The government is not stepping in and taking over the industry or taking all their makings and eliminating profits. Please, you are not helping.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 7, 2011 3:59pm
February -- largest monthly deficit in history:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/7/government-posts-biggest-monthly-deficit-ever/
And larger than entire 2007 deficit:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2007/10/05/deficit-for-fiscal-2007-slides/
Unreal ............. but ...... change we can believe in ...........
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/7/government-posts-biggest-monthly-deficit-ever/
And larger than entire 2007 deficit:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2007/10/05/deficit-for-fiscal-2007-slides/
Unreal ............. but ...... change we can believe in ...........
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 7, 2011 4:54pm
QuakerOats;702307 wrote:February -- largest monthly deficit in history:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/7/government-posts-biggest-monthly-deficit-ever/
And larger than entire 2007 deficit:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2007/10/05/deficit-for-fiscal-2007-slides/
Unreal ............. but ...... change we can believe in ...........
Same tax rates + increase in SS, Medicare and Medicaid + increase in Defense budget= higher debt.
Not just the administration, but every single Congressman who does not have the cuts to cut SS and Medicare.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 7, 2011 5:07pm
This is a MONTHLY deficit that is 11 TIMES LARGER than the 2007 ANNUAL deficit.
THIS IS A TRAINWRECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS A TRAINWRECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Mar 7, 2011 6:43pm
Will you stop Quaker...
Did you not read what ptown said??
Did you not read what ptown said??
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 8, 2011 10:33am
No; his post was esentially incorrect and misleading; I don't know if it was intentional or not.Ty Webb;702425 wrote:Will you stop Quaker...
Did you not read what ptown said??
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Mar 8, 2011 1:04pm
No...it is not incorrect and misleading
Do you even understand government spending??
Do you even understand government spending??
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Mar 8, 2011 2:32pm
Ty Webb;703414 wrote:Do you even understand government spending??
Does anyone understand it? Don't you think the way our federal gubmint has been spending money is a significant part of the $15,000,000,000,000 debt problem we now have? Or should we just continue on the same ways we have been hoping and praying that it will be different next time?
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Mar 8, 2011 2:36pm
The question I was asking...
Does he not understand the reasons ptown listed are the reason the debt it higher than 2007
Does he not understand the reasons ptown listed are the reason the debt it higher than 2007
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 8, 2011 2:42pm
The deficit is not 11 TIMES LARGER than '07 because of incremental increases in SS and Medicare and Defense; GET IT!Ty Webb;703542 wrote:The question I was asking...
Does he not understand the reasons ptown listed are the reason the debt it higher than 2007
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Mar 8, 2011 2:43pm
Then why is it Quaker???
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 8, 2011 5:21pm
Ty Webb;703555 wrote:Then why is it Quaker???
I think I might just go jump off a cliff ..................
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revgat
Posts: 94
Mar 8, 2011 6:09pm
I haven't looked at any numbers, but I would say the main reason the deficit is so large is due to less of a tax base due to unemployment. I don't think the spending has increased by that much.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 8, 2011 6:21pm
QuakerOats;703551 wrote:The deficit is not 11 TIMES LARGER than '07 because of incremental increases in SS and Medicare and Defense; GET IT!
Hmm, I actually think it is. Also, add in TARP, which is starting to get paid back, and lower revenue coming in due to the recession and a lower dollar internationally over the years.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 8, 2011 8:21pm
ptown,
Stop it, just STOP IT. You know damn well that Quaker isn't going to let something as insignificant as "facts" spoil a perfectly good rant.
Seriously, though, how can you keep cutting taxes and expect to keep up, even if you don't increase spending by as much as a dime?
Stop it, just STOP IT. You know damn well that Quaker isn't going to let something as insignificant as "facts" spoil a perfectly good rant.
Seriously, though, how can you keep cutting taxes and expect to keep up, even if you don't increase spending by as much as a dime?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 8, 2011 8:26pm
P'town --- you are way better than that.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 8, 2011 9:59pm
QuakerOats;704153 wrote:P'town --- you are way better than that.
Iunno, I've providing a rational. Sure, discretionary spending has increased, but overall, it is the mandatory spending that has jacked up.
The debt sucks, no question about it. But, the main reasons are the big three (now four) that no one wants to touch: SS, Medicare, Medicaid and Defense.
Add to that the global recession and loss of revenue coming in=higher debt.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 9, 2011 5:38pm
revgat;703828 wrote:I haven't looked at any numbers, but I would say the main reason the deficit is so large is due to less of a tax base due to unemployment. I don't think the spending has increased by that much.
Sorry; you lose.
The average of federal outlays from '01 - '08 was $2.395 trillion. The average of federal outlays over the last 2 years is $3.618 trillion; an ASTOUNDNG 51% INCREASE IN SPENDING.
(And don't say it was SS either since there have been no COLA's granted lately).
Change we can believe ............
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 9, 2011 6:13pm
QuakerOats;705439 wrote:Sorry; you lose.
The average of federal outlays from '01 - '08 was $2.395 trillion. The average of federal outlays over the last 2 years is $3.618 trillion; an ASTOUNDNG 51% INCREASE IN SPENDING.
(And don't say it was SS either since there have been no COLA's granted lately).
Change we can believe ............
The math doesn't work. For big a jump it has to be mandatory spending since that takes up 85% of the budget each year. There is no way that 15% of the budget caused that spike.
Spikes in SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense and decrease in revenue caused the spike.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 9, 2011 9:13pm
Those are the spending numbers. A decrease in revenue does not translate into a spending spike, sorry. The obama/pelosi/reid triumvirate spent more than ever imaginable.