believer;973055 wrote:And the Obama-loving MSM handed out the KoolAid in massive quantities.

Manhattan Buckeye;976046 wrote:...but the decline of the U.S. in the world's mind since Obamafever turned into Obamadisgust hurts all of us. What happened in 2008 was a collective lack of judgment, and we're paying for it.

Manhattan Buckeye;976046 wrote:At least they learned their lesson and are vetting every single GOP candidate to the maximum, hopefully they will continue that diligence to Team Obama when the race starts.

An aside, we've been ex-pats since March, a group that is normally a heavily Democrat contingent, particularly in Europe but also in Asia. We meet a lot of Americans playing tennis at our club or me hanging out at the bar (too much) at said place. These are Americans from across the country, but primarily from both coasts. A lot of them are lifetime DEMs and will probably vote for O regardless, but we have yet to hear from anyone that has said anything remotely positive about Obama. Typical comments are "inexperienced", "tone deaf" (particularly with regard to the economy, which is why the majority of us our here), "misplaced priorities" and "arrogant" - and these are from a lot of DEMs that have seen their home values (for those that are here short-term) decline and have seen opportunities for their children decline.

I never thought I'd think this but from an economic perspective we're in a much better environment than anywhere in the U.S. save the D.C. area, which can't keep up the moneytrain forever. We'd still send our kids to American colleges and hope for the best, but the decline of the U.S. in the world's mind since Obamafever turned into Obamadisgust hurts all of us. What happened in 2008 was a collective lack of judgment, and we're paying for it.

Manhattan Buckeye;976046 wrote:At least they learned their lesson and are vetting every single GOP candidate to the maximum, hopefully they will continue that diligence to Team Obama when the race starts.

I Wear Pants;977229 wrote:Good questions for Obama can involve why he failed on his promises about Iraq, Guantanamo, and why he was until recent weeks sluggish at best in his support for Net Neutrality.

I Wear Pants;977572 wrote:http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45306416/ns/today-today_health/t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes/#.TsXq5lZRxBk

Congratulations Republicans, pizza is now a vegetable.

I swear, we'd all be better off if they just came and shat on our hands.

They being both incompetent parties.

I Wear Pants;977610 wrote:I'd just rather we have smart regulations instead of no regulations at all.

majorspark;977611 wrote:Eliminating federal involvement does not eliminate regulations. They just transfer to a different level of governance.

I Wear Pants;977613 wrote:I would want those levels of governance set up prior to eliminating those regulations. I have not seen evidence of this or this idea espoused by those who want to end health, education, environmental, etc

I Wear Pants;977613 wrote:Do they think those things would happen instantly? What happens if we get rid of the EPA and then there is a three year period without a lot of regulations in some states because legislators are evil morons that can't agree on anything but pay raises?

I Wear Pants;977613 wrote: Do you think corporations or plants will simply out of the goodness of their hearts not do the least expensive (read worst for everyone but themselves) things?

I Wear Pants;977633 wrote:So the state EPA laws existed before the federal ones? Or did the federal ones happen and then get adopted into the state laws/coerced by funding threats?

majorspark;977638 wrote:I get it now states want their lands to be cesspools of filth and waste. Ohio government is more than happy to risk its citzens dieing of cancer so Ohio can make a buck. If it were not for the federal government coercing Ohio with money Ohio would be a toxic waste dump. Corporate profits. Citizens be damned. Thank God for Uncle Sam. Who are you people?

Ohio cares a hell of a lot more about its environment than some federal bureaucrat born and raised in Oregon, with his his family living in Oregon, sitting behind a desk in DC haveing his balls massaged by some corporate lobbyist looking to score a buck at Ohio's expense. Not to mention his cushy federal pension to back up his decisions.

majorspark;977638 wrote:I get it now states want their lands to be cesspools of filth and waste. Ohio government is more than happy to risk its citzens dieing of cancer so Ohio can make a buck. If it were not for the federal government coercing Ohio with money Ohio would be a toxic waste dump. Corporate profits. Citizens be damned. Thank God for Uncle Sam. Who are you people?


Ohio cares a hell of a lot more about its environment than some federal bureaucrat born and raised in Oregon, with his his family living in Oregon, sitting behind a desk in DC haveing his balls massaged by some corporate lobbyist looking to score a buck at Ohio's expense. Not to metion his coushy federal pention to back up his decisions.

Shortly before the vote, Rep. John Fleming, R-Louisiana, called Congress "hopelessly addicted to excessive spending and budget deficits" and said opponents of the amendment "are hopelessly in denial, just like a drug addict is in denial about their addiction."

Fleming's comments prompted a retort from Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., D-Illinois, who said, "I am addicted to saving lives. I am addicted to making sure that Social Security is not violently cut by the balanced budget amendment."

majorspark;977609 wrote:Case in point as to why the federal government should not be involved in any way shape or form in these issues. Eliminate the department of education and the department of agriculture.

QuakerOats;982650 wrote:
I can hardly believe anymore what is happening right before our eyes.

gut;982715 wrote:Shocking, really. My suspicion is Obama is being much more direct and transparent with respect to his ideals than he has been. This is likely a desperate ploy where his only chance to galvanize his base is to fully embrace those ideals. Clearly "corporate welfare" and "class warfare" are going to be central tenets of his re-election campaign. If you can't appeal to logic and merit, then play on fears and jealousy.

Ghmothwdwhso;984645 wrote:It only takes a child like thought to convince a village.

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