Manhattan Buckeye;1074017 wrote:"but have stuffed the ballot boxes with votes for the likes of Reagan and the Bushes, who shoved the national debt 4-5 times higher percentage wise than Obama has done."

A little dishonest don't you think. If I raise a debt from $5,000 to $100,000 that is a 20X percentage, but no one cares because it is only $95,000.

Obama's administration has had trillion dollar deficits from day 1 and will likely give us a US$20T debt total if he's elected this year.

This administration's fiscal policies have been an absolute disaster with little return.

Footwedge;1074638 wrote:Crickets from you and all the Bam bashers who....who can't bring themselves to praise a mutually positive non partisan solution....to the real problem regarding unemployment in our country......

.......Typical of Gut and his ilk. Calling Bam a government expansionist...which he has been...but not as much as a peep when he presents true economic reform, which would put an end to our unemployment problem....without running federal reserve printing presses.

jmog;1074258 wrote:Come on PTown, you can do better than that.

The republican lead House most certainly DID pass a budget. The democratic lead Senate hasn't passed a budget in almost 3 years (April of 2009 was the last one).

The House passed a budget that then the democratic Senate refused to even vote on calling it "dead on arrival" and the President said he would veto.

So get the facts correct, the dems haven't passed a budget in about 900 days, the republican controlled House passed one last year.

believer;1074684 wrote:Obama has a track record (a poor one I might add) and he's now in full re-election mode. He talks a good game but we all know where his true policies lie.

True economic reform? LMAO

Footwedge;1074638 wrote:From his speech...ideas propogated by me...for a long time here. But again....no one from the mythical "right" will acknowledge the idea of bringing back manufacturing...and reducing unemployment by over 5 million jobs.

QuakerOats;1074889 wrote:This guy is the biggest SHAM in the history of US politics.

believer;1074858 wrote:^^^^^
So Obama's $800 billion Porkulus Sammich, ObamaKare, chronic real unemployment rates, and massive trillion dollar deficit spending habits over the past 3 years haven't convinced you that this man needs to go? Obama's in full re-election mode. PERIOD. He will say and do anything - including sound like a capitalist - to get re-elected. If you think for a moment that a "true" tax reform bill will roll through the Senate (not going to happen by the way) and then be gleefully signed by Obama you're nuts. Fool me once, fool me twice. :rolleyes:

QuakerOats;1074889 wrote:Please, please spare us all. The guy is now saying he wants to bring back jobs - manufacturing jobs. What folly. This is the same guy who has stacked the NLRB with the most anti-job creators one could find. This is the same NLRB that told Boeing it could not open a plant where it wanted to, killing jobs. This is the same president whose EPA is so far our of control with job-killing regulations that some could argue the entire agency is run by marxists hel! bent on destroying capitalism by bankrupting the fossil fuel industry. This is the same president that just said no the Keystone pipeline even though it has been deemed a completely safe project and would have created jobs numbering into the six figures. This is the same president who has done ZERO to lower the 35% corporate tax rate which, in addition to out-of-control regulations, is exactly why capital and jobs have fled the country. I could go on for hours on this topic.

This guy is the biggest SHAM in the history of US politics. If you cannot see it by now, there is simply nothing that anybody could say to help you.

Footwedge;1074638 wrote:From his speech...ideas propogated by me...for a long time here. But again....no one from the mythical "right" will acknowledge the idea of bringing back manufacturing...and reducing unemployment by over 5 million jobs.

Crickets from you and all the Bam bashers who....who can't bring themselves to praise a mutually positive non partisan solution....to the real problem regarding unemployment in our country.

Obama:

"So we have a huge opportunity, at this moment, to bring manufacturing back. But we have to seize it. Tonight, my message to business leaders is simple: Ask yourselves what you can do to bring jobs back to your country, and your country will do everything we can to help you succeed. (Applause.)
Corporate Tax Reform


We should start with our tax code. Right now, companies get tax breaks for moving jobs and profits overseas. Meanwhile, companies that choose to stay in America get hit with one of the highest tax rates in the world. It makes no sense, and everyone knows it. So let’s change it.
First, if you’re a business that wants to outsource jobs, you shouldn’t get a tax deduction for doing it. tHey should be used to cover moving expenses for companies like Master Lock that decide to bring jobs home. Second, no American company should be able to avoid paying its fair share of taxes by moving jobs and profits overseas. (Applause.)
From now on, every multinational company should have to pay a basic minimum tax. And every penny should go towards lowering taxes for companies that choose to stay here and hire here in America.
Third, if you’re an American manufacturer, you should get a bigger tax cut. If you’re a high-tech manufacturer, we should double the tax deduction you get for making your products here. And if you want to relocate in a community that was hit hard when a factory left town, you should get help financing a new plant, equipment, or training for new workers. (Applause.)


For the "outsourcing is great crowd"...I say to you all a huge "Fug You"...for your allegiance is not in the best interests of our 100 percenters.

Typical of Gut and his ilk. Calling Bam a government expansionist...which he has been...but not as much as a peep when he presents true economic reform, which would put an end to our unemployment problem....without running federal reserve printing presses.

Footwedge;1074759 wrote:being...well "patriotic" with the help of tax incentives to stay and see penalties for leaving...tell me what the problem is...with this plan.

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majorspark;1075120 wrote:Foot I'll bet you got just as excited when Obama said he would close guantanamo bay.

majorspark;1075120 wrote:Foot I'll bet you got just as excited when Obama said he would close guantanamo bay.

Bigdogg;1075227 wrote:Just got back from my annual meeting with my tax man. I asked him what my tax rate was this year. He said I paid 25% to the federal government and combined 40% counting all taxes. So Romney makes millions and pays 13.5 and I pay 25% and people on here think there is no class warfare going on? Wake the fuck up you idiots!!!!

Bigdogg;1075227 wrote:Just got back from my annual meeting with my tax man. I asked him what my tax rate was this year. He said I paid 25% to the federal government and combined 40% counting all taxes. So Romney makes millions and pays 13.5 and I pay 25% and people on here think there is no class warfare going on? Wake the fuck up you idiots!!!!

QuakerOats;1074889 wrote:Please, please spare us all. The guy is now saying he wants to bring back jobs - manufacturing jobs. What folly. This is the same guy who has stacked the NLRB with the most anti-job creators one could find. This is the same NLRB that told Boeing it could not open a plant where it wanted to, killing jobs. This is the same president whose EPA is so far our of control with job-killing regulations that some could argue the entire agency is run by marxists hel! bent on destroying capitalism by bankrupting the fossil fuel industry. This is the same president that just said no the Keystone pipeline even though it has been deemed a completely safe project and would have created jobs numbering into the six figures. This is the same president who has done ZERO to lower the 35% corporate tax rate which, in addition to out-of-control regulations, is exactly why capital and jobs have fled the country. I could go on for hours on this topic.

This guy is the biggest SHAM in the history of US politics. If you cannot see it by now, there is simply nothing that anybody could say to help you.

believer;1075194 wrote:Don't forget that the Bammer also made a campaign promise to get our troops out of Afghanistan by the summer of 2011. The clock's still ticking on that one. Why isn't Footie slamming Obama Chickenhawk for that little pledge glitch?

gut;1075113 wrote:Curious exactly how you play the class warfare game on the rich and corporations, talking about how they have to pay more, and then spin around and talk about tax incentives (i.e. pay LESS) to get companies to keep jobs here. Do you realize that those are, in fact, two ideologically opposed approaches? Quite literally talking out of both sides of his mouth, but that's the only skill Obama has ever demonstrated.

majorspark;1075120 wrote:Foot I'll bet you got just as excited when Obama said he would close guantanamo bay.

gut;1075095 wrote:First off, there's tremendous disagreement over how many jobs Obama "saved" or "avoided" with many people simply stopping looking or no longer qualified for unemployment and/or happy to suck off the govt tit.

-How you even come up with a number like 5M when unemployment is worse now than when he took office would destroy your credibility if that ship hadn't sailed long ago.