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enigmaax;384424 wrote:Only if they go to 13 teams.

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jordo212000;384434 wrote:Oh gosh, I hope Rutgers isn't #14. I keep hearing about the NY market, but who cares about the NY market. College sports in NY are very low in the pecking order. Rutgers will only water down the product anyways.

Does Pittsburgh qualify as an AAU school? I can't remember

They don't care how many people watch, you are talking about every cable customer going from paying $.10 each for the BTN to $.60 each for the BTN.

51% of me thinks Notre Dame is going to join. They would just have to demand to have Purdue, Michigan State, and especially Michigan on their schedule every year and have all of their games not on ABC/ESPN be broadcast on the Big Ten Network.

If they play eight conference games, they can have Southern Cal and Navy continue. They probably have to say goodbye to the Boston College series (fine by me) if they wanted two different games each year.

If Nebraska, Missouri, and Notre Dame joined:

East Division
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue

West Division
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

Now obviously the East Division is loaded, but the Big Ten has enjoyed solid parity recently. Yes, Ohio State has basically dominated the conference, but since 1996 there have only been three years in which the Big Ten champion went undefeated in conference play.

sjmvsfscs08;384454 wrote:
West Division
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

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That's a mean fucking division of smash mouth midwestern football... damn

jordo212000;384434 wrote:Oh gosh, I hope Rutgers isn't #14. I keep hearing about the NY market, but who cares about the NY market. College sports in NY are very low in the pecking order. Rutgers will only water down the product anyways.

Does Pittsburgh qualify as an AAU school? I can't remember

Yes, Pitt is an AAU member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities#Public_.2835.29

And it doesn't matter one iota if people out east don't care about college sports. Adding Rutgers gets the BTN on basic cable in New York, New Jersey, and probably Philadelphia too. That's MILLIONS of new subscribers at around $3 a month. That's ton of new money for the conference.

sjmvsfscs08;384454 wrote:51% of me thinks Notre Dame is going to join. They would just have to demand to have Purdue, Michigan State, and especially Michigan on their schedule every year and have all of their games not on ABC/ESPN be broadcast on the Big Ten Network.

If they play eight conference games, they can have Southern Cal and Navy continue. They probably have to say goodbye to the Boston College series (fine by me) if they wanted two different games each year.

Notre Dame just extended the series with Boston College through at least 2019.

My take:

Big Ten:
Nebraska (inevitable)
Missouri (inevitable)
Rutgers...Rutgers adds the NY market...do not say that shouldn't matter because this is a business, and the extra revenue brought in from adding the #1 market in the country out-trumps virtually anything else. The ONLY reason Rutgers does not get added, is if Notre Dame wants to make the move. I see the arrogance of being an independent, the NBC contract (hello, Big Ten Network???), and the "tradition" involved in that as evidence that Notre Dame will not join.

Pac 10:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
Colorado
The Big 12 South schools make the exodus to the Pac 10, sans Texas. Why would they continue to be a part of a conference with the uber-arrogant Longhorns? No revenue sharing, IN A CONFERENCE?!?! That is ridiculous..get out, and get out now. The Pac 10 would instantly become the most exciting conference in the country...ratings would boom, the Pac 10 Network would boom, and Texas could do their own thing. Which leads me to...

Texas:
Independent. I truly think this is a possibility. Like mentioned before, Texas is not coming to the Big Ten. Texas does not need the Big Ten, the Big Ten does not want Texas. They will try to overrun that conference like they did the Big 12, and the Big Ten "people" want no part of that. Campus is located in the third most recession proof city in the country, Austin. They have a huge following all over Texas and central America. There is enough recruits in that area to fill up a small conference...Texas could clean those recruits up. Not to mention, they could get tricky with their scheduling and really add some intriguing games. I like this move by Texas. That being said, it is only a short term solution. Eventually (You hearing me Notre Dame?) they are going to have to pick a conference.

Remaining Big Twelve schools:
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
merge with the MWC + Boise State to form the 6th BCS conference..hell, just call it the Big Twelve again. There are nine teams in the MWC..you add Boise, put Colorado State in the WAC, and add Kansas, KSU, and Iowa State to form a 12 member conference that instantly becomes the 4th best football conference in the country behind SEC, Pac 10, and the Big Ten.



I just wrote a fifteen page paper about this, so criticisms are wanted/needed

Apparently a done deal just waiting to sign the contract

A source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents told Orangebloods.com Wednesday Nebraska regents have informally agreed to leave for the Big Ten and will make a formal announcement on Friday. Several sources in the Big 12 South have said if Nebraska leaves, the Big 12 is dead. The league has until June 14 to decide if it's staying together. ...

http://texas.rivals.com/

I personally like the move to the Big 10 for my Cornhuskers.

What if the Big 10 conference could come to some sort of agreement with Notre Dame and allow NBC to televise select "Big 10" games that will not be televised by ABC/the Big 10 network? Not sure if that is possible? But then take the NBC money add it to the Big 10 network money and divide that.

That's probably not possible though

I get what you are saying about Rutgers and the New York market, but IMO Rutgers doesn't really fit in with the other Big 10 teams. I think I would rather see somebody else get the nod over them. I hope Notre Dame gets in. The Big 10 will be stacked. A conference championship game will be mighty fun to watch

Kindof a random question, but when would these changes take place on the field? Unless I am mistaken, Penn State accepted a bid to join the Big 10 in 1990, but didn't play its first conference game until 1993. I know schedules are locked in 3-4 years ahead of time: would those change, or would this happen in a few years?

SnL - Interesting take. My thoughts are pretty close, but I don't think Texas goes independent. That bumps Colorado from the Pac 10 and one of two things happens with the four leftovers. Ideally, I would think, would be that they start picking the top mid-majors and retain the Big XII name and BCS bid. Another possibility is that the MWC and BXII remnants "merge" so to speak....though the problem with that is that there's going to be some dead weight that doesn't really benefit the conference.

If I were the remaining four, I'd probably try to put this together:

Kansas
Kansas State
Colorado
Iowa State
TCU
Houston
Colorado State
Utah
BYU
Boise State
Fresno
Air Force

They could keep going to 16, but that didn't work out for the WAC last time and I think it gets too big and includes too much dead weight in this case. The WAC, though, gets its two divisions back by re-merging with the crappy MWC sendoffs.

At the same time this is going on, the Big East is gonna have to go to at least 12, as well. My guess there would be we'll see Memphis, East Carolina, Marshall, and Central Florida first up on that list. Now, this assumes the Big Ten settles at Nebraska, Missouri, and Notre Dame.

Also, if the SEC starts looking to expand to 16, it starts a whole other chain of events that rapes the ACC and in turn, the Big East moves down yet another rung and struggles to stay afloat.

enigmaax;384540 wrote:SnL - Interesting take. My thoughts are pretty close, but I don't think Texas goes independent. That bumps Colorado from the Pac 10 and one of two things happens with the four leftovers. Ideally, I would think, would be that they start picking the top mid-majors and retain the Big XII name and BCS bid. Another possibility is that the MWC and BXII remnants "merge" so to speak....though the problem with that is that there's going to be some dead weight that doesn't really benefit the conference.

If I were the remaining four, I'd probably try to put this together:

Kansas
Kansas State
Colorado
Iowa State
TCU
Houston
Colorado State
Utah
BYU
Boise State
Fresno
Air Force

They could keep going to 16, but that didn't work out for the WAC last time and I think it gets too big and includes too much dead weight in this case. The WAC, though, gets its two divisions back by re-merging with the crappy MWC sendoffs.

At the same time this is going on, the Big East is gonna have to go to at least 12, as well. My guess there would be we'll see Memphis, East Carolina, Marshall, and Central Florida first up on that list. Now, this assumes the Big Ten settles at Nebraska, Missouri, and Notre Dame.

Also, if the SEC starts looking to expand to 16, it starts a whole other chain of events that rapes the ACC and in turn, the Big East moves down yet another rung and struggles to stay afloat.

Baylor isn't allowed in the Pac-10, so swap colorado and baylor

krambman;384468 wrote:Yes, Pitt is an AAU member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities#Public_.2835.29

And it doesn't matter one iota if people out east don't care about college sports. Adding Rutgers gets the BTN on basic cable in New York, New Jersey, and probably Philadelphia too. That's MILLIONS of new subscribers at around $3 a month. That's ton of new money for the conference.

The notion that Rutgers will be the final team added isn't a given.

Rutgers Big Ten Decision May Put School’s Sports Deeper in Debt

"The Scarlet Knights’ athletic department, which received almost half its $58.5 million in revenue last year from state subsidies and student fees, would probably earn about an extra $13.6 million a year in conference money by leaving the Big East for the Big Ten, based on current distributions.

To compete with schools such as Ohio State University, the University of Michigan and Penn State University, however, the New Brunswick, New Jersey-based school probably will have to increase spending on coaches’ salaries, recruiting and infrastructure, possibly sending it deeper into the red, sports business analysts and former coaches said. "

http://preview.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=awsYE5sQ7mgo

If SEC takes FSU, Miami, and GT, the Big East and ACC ought to merge. That'd be a great basketball conference with syracuse, uconn, georgetown, duke, and carolina.

BigAppleBuckeye;384534 wrote:Kindof a random question, but when would these changes take place on the field? Unless I am mistaken, Penn State accepted a bid to join the Big 10 in 1990, but didn't play its first conference game until 1993. I know schedules are locked in 3-4 years ahead of time: would those change, or would this happen in a few years?

I wouldn't be surprised if it happens next season (2011). I think the Big 12 has it worked out that if you leave you sacrifice 50% of your revenue for 2 years or 90% of your revenue for a one year notice. Nebraska made around $9 million in revenue from the B12, so losing 90% of that would be $8.1 million they are out. But if they joined the big 10 the following year they would be up because they could potentially bring in ~$25 or so and more than make up for it. If they waited 2 years it would be 4.5 mil both years they would be out.

I think it all comes down to scheduling and when the B10 is ready for them. Just another detail that needs to be worked out.

enigmaax;384540 wrote:SnL - Interesting take. My thoughts are pretty close, but I don't think Texas goes independent. That bumps Colorado from the Pac 10 and one of two things happens with the four leftovers. Ideally, I would think, would be that they start picking the top mid-majors and retain the Big XII name and BCS bid. Another possibility is that the MWC and BXII remnants "merge" so to speak....though the problem with that is that there's going to be some dead weight that doesn't really benefit the conference.

Colorado has been vying for a Pac-10 spot for years. If they get the invite from the Pac-10, make no mistake about it, they are going...regardless of what Texas or anyone else does.

sjmvsfscs08;384454 wrote:If Nebraska, Missouri, and Notre Dame joined:

East Division
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue

West Division
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

Also it warrants giving North/South divisions consideration.

North
Minn
Wisky
Iowa
Northwestern
Mich State
Michigan
Nebraska

South
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Mizzou

Again, just something to mull over but I think it's pretty balanced.

Mohican00;384567 wrote:Also it warrants giving North/South divisions consideration.

North
Minn
Wisky
Iowa
Northwestern
Mich State
Michigan
Nebraska

South
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Mizzou

Again, just something to mull over but I think it's pretty balanced.

OSU and Michigan have to be in the same division.

Mohican00;384567 wrote:Also it warrants giving North/South divisions consideration.

North
Minn
Wisky
Iowa
Northwestern
Mich State
Michigan
Nebraska

South
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Mizzou

Again, just something to mull over but I think it's pretty balanced.

There is no way in hell they will seperate OSU and Michigan.

the_system;384580 wrote:There is no way in hell they will seperate OSU and Michigan.

Why not? There's no stipulation that they couldn't play every year if in different divisions

Mohican00;384586 wrote:Why not? There's no stipulation that they couldn't play every year if in different divisions

You're right. Except for the fact that other teams would have the luxury of a weaker schedule because unlike these two, OSU and Michigan would have a tougher road (normally) than other teams.

the_system;384589 wrote:You're right. Except for the fact that other teams would have the luxury of a weaker schedule because unlike these two, OSU and Michigan would have a tougher road (normally) than other teams.

This is true though Fla and LSU make it work.

Mohican00;384586 wrote:Why not? There's no stipulation that they couldn't play every year if in different divisions

I think the bigger issue the two schools and their fanbases would have with them being in different divisions would be the potential of them meeting in the championship game the week after playing each other in the regular season finale. This would hurt the rivalry and people of Ohio might not considerate the best in all of sports anymore.