ytownfootball;384280 wrote:Of all the teams mentioned for addition to the Big 10. ND and Texas are the only two that stand not to improve their situations dramatically, at least short term. Long term I think if they didn't join NOW, they'd be kicking themselves. As a fan of the Big 10, these two would be my first choices, any and all others would basically be irrelevant.

And, maax, you bring up something about the BXII sitting on their hands...interestingly enough, you have the Big 10 courting Texas, Mizzou, Nebraska...but not in the least Kansas, who would add a lot basketball wise. This only illustrates that the Big 10 is only interested in money, football and academics (probably in that order)

This has been mentioned, time and time and time again, but one more time shouldn't hurt.

Texas doesn't like to share. They could make more money doing what they were planning on doing in the Big 12...which is starting their Longhorn Sports Network. That's why they wanted the Big 12 to survive and Nebraska to not leave. They're big enough to go independent and make more money with their own network. They could also go to the Pac-10 who, apparently, was willing to give them a large cut from a potential new network AND still let them bank off their own LSN. The big 10, from what I've read, was not willing to do that. In the Big 10 you're cut in equal. Texas doesn't want to be equal to anyone. Which is the reason I'm amazed so many people want them in. They are a cancer to any league they join. (see: SWC then Big 12)

the_system;384294 wrote:This has been mentioned, time and time and time again, but one more time shouldn't hurt.

Texas doesn't like to share. They could make more money doing what they were planning on doing in the Big 12...which is starting their Longhorn Sports Network. That's why they wanted the Big 12 to survive and Nebraska to not leave. They're big enough to go independent and make more money with their own network. They could also go to the Pac-10 who, apparently, was willing to give them a large cut from a potential new network AND still let them bank off their own LSN. The big 10, from what I've read, was not willing to do that. In the Big 10 you're cut in equal. Texas doesn't want to be equal to anyone. Which is the reason I'm amazed so many people want them in. They are a cancer to any league they join. (see: SWC then Big 12)

Uhhh...yeah...thanks for the update, haven't heard that before :rolleyes: They might not want to be equal to anyone (like ND, sounds familiar) but at the same time they're not stupid either. Notice ND is back in talks again after vehemently denying they want admission countless times.

ytownfootball;384300 wrote:Uhhh...yeah...thanks for the update, haven't heard that before :rolleyes: They might not want to be equal to anyone (like ND, sounds familiar) but at the same time they're not stupid either. Notice ND is back in talks again after vehemently denying they want admission countless times.

I know they're not stupid....which is why they'll go to the Pac-10. It was estimated that the Pac-10, with the addition of teams like Texas and Oklahoma, would be in the same ballpark as the BTN in $. So they will get that, plus the Pac-10 buckling letting them also profit from their LSN, plus keeping the Texas Legislature happy by admitting all the Texas schools. Travel would be bad either way, but the Pac-10 has the weather to make it much nicer.

Before Texas joined the Big 8, they were heading directly to the pac-10. They've always wanted in the Pac-10, it just made too much sense at the time to join the B12, especially when every team except one (Neb) bent over backwards and basically gave you the authority to make all the decisions.

ytownfootball;384300 wrote:Notice ND is back in talks again after vehemently denying they want admission countless times.

I, for one, haven't noticed. Link?


Also, screw Texas to the Big Ten. The Big Ten needs to add three to go to 14. Nebraska looks like a done deal, Missouri will follow suit shortly after. Will Notre Dame make the jump? I certainly hope so.

ytownfootball;384293 wrote:They'd likely be able to keep LSN, as it's university specific, not conference specific. I don't see what the issue there would be. I would take Texas in a heartbeat.

You don't see the issue the Big Ten would have that one of their schools wouldn't want any part of the Big Ten Network, yet would collect revenue share from it?

sjmvsfscs08;384323 wrote:I, for one, haven't noticed. Link?


Also, screw Texas to the Big Ten. The Big Ten needs to add three to go to 14. Nebraska looks like a done deal, Missouri will follow suit shortly after. Will Notre Dame make the jump? I certainly hope so.

There was a link posted on another thread saying the Big Ten and ND are back in talks.

Oh and if it's not NOtre Dame, you'd have to think Rutgers and that NY Market would be the 14th team.

I think they're honestly a better fit for the PAC 10, that doesn't mean I wouldn't accept them in the Big 10 though. The point is, they'll go somewhere, and not be independent. I see LSN as a short term speed bump, that really shouldn't matter. The direction things are going, your personal little cash cow should be way down the list as far as priorities go. 5-10 years down the road is where they should be focusing their attention, they're certainly not strapped for coin at this point.

Nebraska regents to discuss conference affiliation on Friday:

http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/tiger-tracker/tiger-tracker/2010/06/nebraska-regents-to-discuss-big-ten/

ytownfootball;384340 wrote:The point is, they'll go somewhere, and not be independent..

I actually think they'd be a great independent team. They would, imo, be a better independent team than Notre Dame.

Yahoo Sports had a good write up about it:

wrote:f you were picking any program in the country to stand by itself right now – including Notre Dame – from a pure resource perspective, obviously Texas is it. The Longhorns are the most valuable program in the country according to Forbes, and were the most profitable overall athletic department with $138.5 million in revenue in 2008-09 (a stunning $37.3 million of which came from private contributions). It also happens to operate in a fast-growing, football-obsessed, recruiting-rich state with a certain historical tradition for standing on its own, all of seems to alienate the 'Horns from their Big 12 brethren – conference payouts account from a smaller percentage of Texas' overall revenue (less than 10 percent on 2008-09) than any other major program.
Not surprisingly, then, athletic director DeLoss Dodds has already suggested he'd rather see UT start its own Big Ten-style network than share the wealth with the rest of the Big 12, especially if the Pac-10 is in on the cut, too. No network or bowl game will pass on the opportunity to get the Texas cash cow (literally, I think there is a statue of Bevo made out of $100 bills outside Mack Brown's office). The only certainty about the fate of the Big 12 in the foreseeable future is that Texas is going to land on its feet no matter what.

sjmvsfscs08;384323 wrote:I, for one, haven't noticed. Link?


Also, screw Texas to the Big Ten. The Big Ten needs to add three to go to 14. Nebraska looks like a done deal, Missouri will follow suit shortly after. Will Notre Dame make the jump? I certainly hope so.

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/06/08/big-ten-notre-dame-are-talking-again/?synd=1

SportsAndLady;384347 wrote:I actually think they'd be a great independent team. They would, imo, be a better independent team than Notre Dame.

Yahoo Sports had a good write up about it:

Yes, they'd be fine short term, but their quality of schedule would stand to become poor should this alignment move to four 16 team conferences, lost revenue from conference networks and conference championship games. I just think they'd still want to be in a conference.

Writerbuckeye;384167 wrote:Assuming ND maintains its arrogant stance and stays put (and irrelevant)

Just like the Big 10.......right?

rock_knutne;384369 wrote:Just like the Big 10.......right?

The Big Ten HAD an arrogant stance on this realignment situation..until they realized how big of a factor the Pac 10 could be, so they changed their stance and took a strong approach to obtaining Nebraska (and a few others) RIGHT NOW. Soon as Notre Dame actually changes their stance on something, let me know..

A few things:

The System: That .gif is HILARIOUS!

Enigmaax: I agree that I'm not really sure what four schools the Big XII could have gone after that would have made much of a difference (Arizona, Arizona State, TCU, Houston, Colorado State, Arkansas would have been the most likely schools). Since the Big XII doesn't do equal revenue sharing like the Big Ten, Pac-10, and SEC, there isn't much for them to offer. I'm still a bit surprised that they didn't do ANYTHING to try and improve their situation. However, ultimately the conference is governed by their member institutions and if most of the members felt like they would be better served by joining another conference rather than adding teams, then they wouldn't do anything.

ytownfootball: Stop hoping to get Texas. That is an absolute pipe dream. There is no chance of Texas ending up in the Big Ten. I think it's more likely that Texas ends up as an independent than in the Big Ten. Texas isn't going anywhere without Texas A&M and it seems like the powers in charge in Texas don't want them to go anywhere without Texas Tech and Baylor too. It's time to be realistic and stop holding our breath that we'll get Texas.

Also, it has become very clear with all of this that basketball doesn't matter. You're absolutely right about what is important to the Big Ten when considering who to expand with. I'd order it money, academics, football however, because with teams like Rutgers, Syracuse, and UConn being considered it's clear that money and academics are far more important with those teams being considered than football. It's become very clear with the fact that Kansas isn't being considered by either the Big Ten or Pac-10 (even though they are one of the top 5 basketball schools in the country) hat basketball is hardly an afterthought when it comes to expansion.

Mohican and sjmvsfscs08: The biggest hurdle for Notre Dame to join the conference is their long-term scheduling. If they agreed to join the conference it would likely be a several year wait before they joined for football becuase they would either have to play out those contracts or get out of those contracts. Notre Dame does have a great history and tradition as an independent and being independent in football has served them well for many years. What Notre Dame needs to realize though is that they have been largely irrelevant in the landscape of college football for almost 20 years now in terms of the national championship. They are still relevant as a program because of their history and national schedule, but not relevant in terms of being meaninful year ina dn year out in the national title discussion. If we end up with four 16 team conference and Notre Dame remains independent they will be in fine shape in the short term but they will really be hurting in the long term. There will not be a great demand for a Notre Dame TV contract which means that there TV money will not increase as fast as the conference TV deals, which means they will get left behind. That outsider position coupled with their recent irrelevance will give them no power and no place to go when they realize that being in a conference is the best place for them when there are already four 16 team conferences. I have a great respect for Notre Dame and I don't want to see them dig their own grave and become completely irrelevant as a program. I hope that the powers at Notre Dame have the foresight to realize this.

Damn Right! Success breeds Arrogance...its one of the perks.

Good post, Krambman.

Thanks Ewok. I love the avatar btw.

I posted that fanhouse link earlier on the Big 10 pursuing Texas thread. Here's another link about the Big 10 and ND talking again but it pretty much says more of the same.....

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018943072?Report:%20Notre%20Dame%20Suddenly%20Getting%20Serious%20About%20Joining%20Big%20Ten

krambman;384411 wrote:Thanks Ewok. I love the avatar btw.

You're welcome. Ah, a fellow Lostie. Thanks!

So, since the big 12 might not be around anymore...........and now the Big 10 will have 12 teams.......will the Big 10 now become the new Big 12?

cats gone wild;384421 wrote:So, since the big 12 might not be around anymore...........and now the Big 10 will have 12 teams.......will the Big 10 now become the new Big 12?

Only if they go to 13 teams.

Adventures of the Big XII: http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/6/7/1506558/adventures-of-the-big-12-twelve

Oh gosh, I hope Rutgers isn't #14. I keep hearing about the NY market, but who cares about the NY market. College sports in NY are very low in the pecking order. Rutgers will only water down the product anyways.

Does Pittsburgh qualify as an AAU school? I can't remember

cats gone wild;384421 wrote:So, since the big 12 might not be around anymore...........and now the Big 10 will have 12 teams.......will the Big 10 now become the new Big 12?

The Big 10 will go to 14 if they go to 12, unless they only add ND. If they add Nebraska, its Nebraska, Mizzou, and ND or Rutgets imho

I think it is a given that Mizzou and Nebraska are coming. The last spot is up for grabs.