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Steel Valley Football
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May 29, 2010 1:30pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:Of course it's in poor taste. Being a Laker fan is in poor taste too.Steel Valley Football wrote: The joke was in bad taste, IMO. If you don't see it that way then maybe you have bad taste in humor.
There's a line. Some people aren't aware when they cross it and some don't care if they cross it. I see you as being one of the latter.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
May 29, 2010 1:57pm
IMO there isn't a line. You either make a joke about everything or a joke about nothing. Picking and choosing is where you run into problems. I like people like Zwick because he's like me; no real censorship.
Same thing with political correctness and stereotypes. If you make a joke about everyone, then you're treating everyone equal.
Same thing with political correctness and stereotypes. If you make a joke about everyone, then you're treating everyone equal.

ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 29, 2010 2:08pm
Steel Valley Football wrote:
There's a line. Some people aren't aware when they cross it and some don't care if they cross it. I see you as being one of the latter.
Oh well. The sun came up the next day in spite of the tragedy.
He and I are fairly amicable. I've helped him with his car and some electrical problems in his house and he has given me a hand moving things around. His wife is the only one who was offended for the obvious reason that women aren't capable of differentiating jokes and insults.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 29, 2010 2:10pm
I'd say half of the dogs in central ohio are named Brutussherm03 wrote: I think it's gay when people name their pets after sports figures. I had a neighbor growing up who named his dog Griffey because he was a big Junior fan. It always makes you seem like a douche in my book.
And j_crazy is right. The only thing that divides a room better than a rape joke is an abortion joke.
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Steel Valley Football
Posts: 4,548
May 29, 2010 2:13pm
I call that just being a dick. Even though you make no excuses about it, it's still being a dick.bigkahuna wrote: IMO there isn't a line. You either make a joke about everything or a joke about nothing. Picking and choosing is where you run into problems. I like people like Zwick because he's like me; no real censorship.
Same thing with political correctness and stereotypes. If you make a joke about everyone, then you're treating everyone equal.

sherm03
Posts: 7,349
May 29, 2010 2:13pm
That just makes it douchey...AND unoriginal.LJ wrote: I'd say half of the dogs in central ohio are named Brutus
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Steel Valley Football
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May 29, 2010 2:15pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:Steel Valley Football wrote:
There's a line. Some people aren't aware when they cross it and some don't care if they cross it. I see you as being one of the latter.
Oh well. The sun came up the next day in spite of the tragedy.
He and I are fairly amicable. I've helped him with his car and some electrical problems in his house and he has given me a hand moving things around. His wife is the only one who was offended for the obvious reason that women aren't capable of differentiating jokes and insults.
Or maybe she's been raped before and didn't find the same humor in it that you did.

ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 29, 2010 2:17pm
you're really reaching now.Steel Valley Football wrote:ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:Steel Valley Football wrote:
There's a line. Some people aren't aware when they cross it and some don't care if they cross it. I see you as being one of the latter.
Oh well. The sun came up the next day in spite of the tragedy.
He and I are fairly amicable. I've helped him with his car and some electrical problems in his house and he has given me a hand moving things around. His wife is the only one who was offended for the obvious reason that women aren't capable of differentiating jokes and insults.
Or maybe she's been raped before and didn't find the same humor in it that you did.
but I'll play along..
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE SHE WAS RAPED BY KOBE !!!!!
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Steel Valley Football
Posts: 4,548
May 29, 2010 2:36pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:you're really reaching now.Steel Valley Football wrote:ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:Steel Valley Football wrote:
There's a line. Some people aren't aware when they cross it and some don't care if they cross it. I see you as being one of the latter.
Oh well. The sun came up the next day in spite of the tragedy.
He and I are fairly amicable. I've helped him with his car and some electrical problems in his house and he has given me a hand moving things around. His wife is the only one who was offended for the obvious reason that women aren't capable of differentiating jokes and insults.
Or maybe she's been raped before and didn't find the same humor in it that you did.
but I'll play along..
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE SHE WAS RAPED BY KOBE !!!!!
I'm not reaching at all. I have no idea why she thinks your humor is in bad taste, but statistically speaking it's not a stretch at all.
Regardless, they say discretion is the better part of valor for a reason. People who follow that rule are generally considered by society to have more class than people who don't.
I've also noticed in my 40 or so years that low-class people aren't aware of the fact they are being looked down on by others. Kind of like how really dumb people don't quite get that they're dumb or that others think that of them.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
May 29, 2010 2:36pm
Ok, so I'm a dick. I'm 24 and have lived my life that way. It has yet to get me in trouble because everyone that knows me knows that I make light of every situation because there are very few things in life to make you unhappy.Steel Valley Football wrote:I call that just being a dick. Even though you make no excuses about it, it's still being a dick.bigkahuna wrote: IMO there isn't a line. You either make a joke about everything or a joke about nothing. Picking and choosing is where you run into problems. I like people like Zwick because he's like me; no real censorship.
Same thing with political correctness and stereotypes. If you make a joke about everyone, then you're treating everyone equal.
I'm a dick and proud of it

ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 29, 2010 3:01pm
ok.. provide these statistics that say on average girls are raped more than they're not. That's what you're implying.Steel Valley Football wrote:ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:you're really reaching now.Steel Valley Football wrote:ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:Steel Valley Football wrote:
There's a line. Some people aren't aware when they cross it and some don't care if they cross it. I see you as being one of the latter.
Oh well. The sun came up the next day in spite of the tragedy.
He and I are fairly amicable. I've helped him with his car and some electrical problems in his house and he has given me a hand moving things around. His wife is the only one who was offended for the obvious reason that women aren't capable of differentiating jokes and insults.
Or maybe she's been raped before and didn't find the same humor in it that you did.
but I'll play along..
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE SHE WAS RAPED BY KOBE !!!!!
I'm not reaching at all. I have no idea why she thinks your humor is in bad taste, but statistically speaking it's not a stretch at all.
Regardless, they say discretion is the better part of valor for a reason. People who follow that rule are generally considered by society to have more class than people who don't.
I've also noticed in my 40 or so years that low-class people aren't aware of the fact they are being looked down on by others. Kind of like how really dumb people don't quite get that they're dumb or that others think that of them.
A quick google search shows an estimate of anywhere from 15-18% of women suffered some sort of rape. Averages tend to say she's one of the 85% not 15%.
Of course, since I'm so dumb that I can't comprehend that I'm dumb, you can explain to me what's a higher percentage; 85 or 15?
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Steel Valley Football
Posts: 4,548
May 29, 2010 3:18pm
We'd need to know her age. If she is of college age then the likelihood of her being raped goes up by 4X.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:ok.. provide these statistics that say on average girls are raped more than they're not. That's what you're implying.Steel Valley Football wrote:ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:you're really reaching now.Steel Valley Football wrote:ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:Steel Valley Football wrote:
There's a line. Some people aren't aware when they cross it and some don't care if they cross it. I see you as being one of the latter.
Oh well. The sun came up the next day in spite of the tragedy.
He and I are fairly amicable. I've helped him with his car and some electrical problems in his house and he has given me a hand moving things around. His wife is the only one who was offended for the obvious reason that women aren't capable of differentiating jokes and insults.
Or maybe she's been raped before and didn't find the same humor in it that you did.
but I'll play along..
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE SHE WAS RAPED BY KOBE !!!!!
I'm not reaching at all. I have no idea why she thinks your humor is in bad taste, but statistically speaking it's not a stretch at all.
Regardless, they say discretion is the better part of valor for a reason. People who follow that rule are generally considered by society to have more class than people who don't.
I've also noticed in my 40 or so years that low-class people aren't aware of the fact they are being looked down on by others. Kind of like how really dumb people don't quite get that they're dumb or that others think that of them.
A quick google search shows an estimate of anywhere from 15-18% of women suffered some sort of rape. Averages tend to say she's one of the 85% not 15%.
Of course, since I'm so dumb that I can't comprehend that I'm dumb, you can explain to me what's a higher percentage; 85 or 15?
You'd also need to know her views on rape, whether a close friend or family member has been raped before, etc.
Regardless, I didn't imply anything. I said maybe she's been raped before and maybe she has. Why don't you just go over and ask her?
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Steel Valley Football
Posts: 4,548
May 29, 2010 3:20pm
bigkahuna wrote:Ok, so I'm a dick. I'm 24 and have lived my life that way. It has yet to get me in trouble because everyone that knows me knows that I make light of every situation because there are very few things in life to make you unhappy.Steel Valley Football wrote:I call that just being a dick. Even though you make no excuses about it, it's still being a dick.bigkahuna wrote: IMO there isn't a line. You either make a joke about everything or a joke about nothing. Picking and choosing is where you run into problems. I like people like Zwick because he's like me; no real censorship.
Same thing with political correctness and stereotypes. If you make a joke about everyone, then you're treating everyone equal.
I'm a dick and proud of it![]()
Thank you. My point exactly.

Curly J
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May 29, 2010 3:21pm
WOW...This turned into Serious Business real quick.
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Steel Valley Football
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May 29, 2010 3:28pm
Curly J wrote: WOW...This turned into Serious Business real quick.
Not really. The problem is that Z4P's initial premise was incorrect. Most threads with flawed premises get debated pretty quick.

Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
May 29, 2010 3:42pm
Did you name a dog Bailey after Bailey's Irish Creme? Thats even worse.sherm03 wrote: I think it's gay when people name their pets after sports figures. I had a neighbor growing up who named his dog Griffey because he was a big Junior fan. It always makes you seem like a douche in my book.
And j_crazy is right. The only thing that divides a room better than a rape joke is an abortion joke.

GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
May 29, 2010 3:44pm
So you're trying to tell us that 60-72% of college girls are raped? That's ridiculous. And if she's older than that then she was in college at some point anyway. An older woman is obviously more likely to have been raped at some point in her life than a college-aged girl.Steel Valley Football wrote:We'd need to know her age. If she is of college age then the likelihood of her being raped goes up by 4X.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
ok.. provide these statistics that say on average girls are raped more than they're not. That's what you're implying.
A quick google search shows an estimate of anywhere from 15-18% of women suffered some sort of rape. Averages tend to say she's one of the 85% not 15%.
Of course, since I'm so dumb that I can't comprehend that I'm dumb, you can explain to me what's a higher percentage; 85 or 15?
You'd also need to know her views on rape, whether a close friend or family member has been raped before, etc.
Regardless, I didn't imply anything. I said maybe she's been raped before and maybe she has. Why don't you just go over and ask her?
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Steel Valley Football
Posts: 4,548
May 29, 2010 4:14pm
GOONx19 wrote:So you're trying to tell us that 60-72% of college girls are raped? That's ridiculous. And if she's older than that then she was in college at some point anyway. An older woman is obviously more likely to have been raped at some point in her life than a college-aged girl.Steel Valley Football wrote:We'd need to know her age. If she is of college age then the likelihood of her being raped goes up by 4X.ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
ok.. provide these statistics that say on average girls are raped more than they're not. That's what you're implying.
A quick google search shows an estimate of anywhere from 15-18% of women suffered some sort of rape. Averages tend to say she's one of the 85% not 15%.
Of course, since I'm so dumb that I can't comprehend that I'm dumb, you can explain to me what's a higher percentage; 85 or 15?
You'd also need to know her views on rape, whether a close friend or family member has been raped before, etc.
Regardless, I didn't imply anything. I said maybe she's been raped before and maybe she has. Why don't you just go over and ask her?
WTF? Are you serious? Can we talk basic statistics for a minute?

sherm03
Posts: 7,349
May 29, 2010 4:14pm
Nope. Named her Bailey after an old pet I had.Mooney44Cards wrote: Did you name a dog Bailey after Bailey's Irish Creme? Thats even worse.

ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 29, 2010 4:15pm
Regardless of age, the number remains at 15%. Of that 15%, 18-23 y/o are prolly 4x higher than other age ranges, but the 15% stays the same. Point being its 70% more likely that she wasn't raped. If she was, that's the chance you take. I don't make sure no one drives a Chevy before I make a joke about Chevys.
And if you're wondering.. yes I do equate being raped and owning a Chevy.
And if you're wondering.. yes I do equate being raped and owning a Chevy.

GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
May 29, 2010 4:27pm
You said we need to know her age but earlier were talking about the chances she HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN raped. Zwick's 15% was also in reference to the percentage of woman who HAVE BEEN raped. Being college-aged would only affect the likelihood that she will be raped.Steel Valley Football wrote:
WTF? Are you serious? Can we talk basic statistics for a minute?
I don't see any wrong in Zwick's joke.
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Steel Valley Football
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May 29, 2010 4:28pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Regardless of age, the number remains at 15%. Of that 15%, 18-23 y/o are prolly 4x higher than other age ranges, but the 15% stays the same. Point being its 70% more likely that she wasn't raped. If she was, that's the chance you take. I don't make sure no one drives a Chevy before I make a joke about Chevys.
And if you're wondering.. yes I do equate being raped and owning a Chevy.
So if today you lined up 100 woman aged 80 and 100 women aged 25 there would be 15-18 in both groups who have been raped?
Even though 80% of rape victims are under 30 yrs old?

gibby08
Posts: 1,581
May 29, 2010 4:29pm
You're lucky he didn't fucking smack you in the mouth..I would haveZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: My neighbors just got a new chocolate lab that they named Kobe and they were playing with it outside this afternoon when I got home from work. At that point I didn't know the dogs name and asked them what they named it and they told me Kobe (hes a laker homo.. i mean homer). I asked if it was raping a white girl dog when they bought it or something and it seemed to really offend the guys wife.
Oh well.. I thought it was funny. She needs to lighten up.
BTW, thats a dumb name for a dog.

GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
May 29, 2010 4:30pm
Yes. Those 90-year-old women were all 25 years old at some point. Growing older does not erase your status as a rape victim. We aren't debating at which age they were raped. Just that they were at one time raped.Steel Valley Football wrote:ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Regardless of age, the number remains at 15%. Of that 15%, 18-23 y/o are prolly 4x higher than other age ranges, but the 15% stays the same. Point being its 70% more likely that she wasn't raped. If she was, that's the chance you take. I don't make sure no one drives a Chevy before I make a joke about Chevys.
And if you're wondering.. yes I do equate being raped and owning a Chevy.
So if today you lined up 100 woman aged 80 and 100 women aged 25 there would be 15-18 in both groups who have been raped?
Even though 80% of rape victims are under 30 yrs old?

ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
May 29, 2010 4:34pm
Then you're taking a selective pool and percentages are skewed and worthless.Steel Valley Football wrote:
So if today you lined up 100 woman aged 80 and 100 women aged 25 there would be 15-18 in both groups who have been raped?
Even though 80% of rape victims are under 30 yrs old?
You don't represent an entire gender by selecting certain age ranges.