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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
May 23, 2010 10:03pm
Jamison isn't half the player Bosh is. you live in a dream world.SQ_Crazies wrote: No one can say what would happen with Bosh. We've never seen LeBron play with another "A player". Bosh is an A player. But I don't like moving for Bosh, we have Jamison--why get Bosh? I think the money he would cost could be allocated somewhere else to make the team stronger.
But LeBron/Bosh would instantly become the best duo in the league.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
May 23, 2010 10:22pm
He definitely is "half" the player, however in Jamisons prime he was a better player.Footwedge wrote:Jamison isn't half the player Bosh is. you live in a dream world.SQ_Crazies wrote: No one can say what would happen with Bosh. We've never seen LeBron play with another "A player". Bosh is an A player. But I don't like moving for Bosh, we have Jamison--why get Bosh? I think the money he would cost could be allocated somewhere else to make the team stronger.
But LeBron/Bosh would instantly become the best duo in the league.
If Jamison was used correctly, and not tried out as a "spot up" shooter, we would have seen a much more effective Jamison.
Mike Brown used Antawn down low on the blocks against Chicago and Antawn tore the Bulls to pieces with his scoring and rebounding.
for some reason, Mike Brown felt the need to move him back out as a spot up shooter against Boston.. Antawn was out of place and ineffective.
Use the guy right, and he gets you 20 a game.
Use him wrong, he'll get you 7 a game.
That falls on coaching and placement more than it does on Antawn.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 23, 2010 10:56pm
Or maybe it was Jamison adjusting his game against Garnett who is much longer and a premier defender? He can't score as effectively in the post against Garnett, as he could against Taj Gibson.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
May 23, 2010 11:17pm
Jamison missed 5 or 6 floaters from inside of 5 feet in gane 6 against Boston.hoops23 wrote:He definitely is "half" the player, however in Jamisons prime he was a better player.Footwedge wrote:Jamison isn't half the player Bosh is. you live in a dream world.SQ_Crazies wrote: No one can say what would happen with Bosh. We've never seen LeBron play with another "A player". Bosh is an A player. But I don't like moving for Bosh, we have Jamison--why get Bosh? I think the money he would cost could be allocated somewhere else to make the team stronger.
But LeBron/Bosh would instantly become the best duo in the league.
If Jamison was used correctly, and not tried out as a "spot up" shooter, we would have seen a much more effective Jamison.
Mike Brown used Antawn down low on the blocks against Chicago and Antawn tore the Bulls to pieces with his scoring and rebounding.
for some reason, Mike Brown felt the need to move him back out as a spot up shooter against Boston.. Antawn was out of place and ineffective.
Use the guy right, and he gets you 20 a game.
Use him wrong, he'll get you 7 a game.
That falls on coaching and placement more than it does on Antawn.
He wasn't the only one, but he choked in games 4, 5, and 6.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 23, 2010 11:18pm
The entire supporting cast was god awful.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
May 23, 2010 11:50pm
The whole city life being a factor argument has got to stop. No one gives a fuck.
How often do you think Wade went out partying in the Miami clubs, meanwhile Durant's sitting in his house alone playing xbox because he lives in Oklahoma City.
Hell, Roethlisberger could party anywhere in Pittsburgh and have dozens of women, men, and babies all sucking his cock - but instead he goes to bumfucking Georgia.
If city life was really that crucial, then the Clippers and Knicks wouldn't have been garbage for so long.
How often do you think Wade went out partying in the Miami clubs, meanwhile Durant's sitting in his house alone playing xbox because he lives in Oklahoma City.
Hell, Roethlisberger could party anywhere in Pittsburgh and have dozens of women, men, and babies all sucking his cock - but instead he goes to bumfucking Georgia.
If city life was really that crucial, then the Clippers and Knicks wouldn't have been garbage for so long.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 23, 2010 11:55pm
thedynasty1998 wrote: Secondly, Jamison isn't in the same league as Bosh.
Holy fucking shit.Footwedge wrote: Jamison isn't half the player Bosh is. you live in a dream world.
Are we really going to do this again? Did you guys even read what I said, or did you only read "why get Bosh, we have Jamison"?
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
May 24, 2010 12:13am
From reading the crap on Poon Tawn's contract from the OC gurus, looks like that trade was worse than I originally thought. I had no idea that we would be saddled with this old man for so long.SQ_Crazies wrote:thedynasty1998 wrote: Secondly, Jamison isn't in the same league as Bosh.Holy fucking shit.Footwedge wrote: Jamison isn't half the player Bosh is. you live in a dream world.
Are we really going to do this again? Did you guys even read what I said, or did you only read "why get Bosh, we have Jamison"?
But I have faith in Gilbert to spring some cash. Sign either Bosh or Amare and dump Shaq, Z, and DWest. I would have no problem in dealing parker too...given his perceived value. Daniel Gibson is the sleeper for next year.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 12:15am
Answer the question dumbass.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 24, 2010 8:53am
I read what you said, and you said the money could be allocated somewhere else. The missing piece for the Cavs is a big. Sure they could use help at the PG position, but a scoring PF is the piece needed, and that's the most important piece.
I understand that you think other pieces might be needed, but the Cavs don't have the cap space right now anyways. They will have to get really creative to go out and bring in an impact player, and I just don't see that happening because I don't know what pieces the Cavs have in place that are highly coveted?
I understand that you think other pieces might be needed, but the Cavs don't have the cap space right now anyways. They will have to get really creative to go out and bring in an impact player, and I just don't see that happening because I don't know what pieces the Cavs have in place that are highly coveted?
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
May 24, 2010 11:07am
Umm...no...that would be Kobe and Gasol no matter what happensSQ_Crazies wrote: No one can say what would happen with Bosh. We've never seen LeBron play with another "A player". Bosh is an A player. But I don't like moving for Bosh, we have Jamison--why get Bosh? I think the money he would cost could be allocated somewhere else to make the team stronger.
But LeBron/Bosh would instantly become the best duo in the league.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 11:25am
Alright. You're entitled to that opinion, but I'd say most people would take LeBron and Bosh over Kobe and Gasol.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
May 24, 2010 11:28am
^^^
I don't think so
I don't think so
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 11:28am
I clearly said that Bosh would be an upgrade, I mean, I said LeBron and Bosh would become the best duo in the league. But when you have Jamison, who is a very talented player in his own right, you don't NEED Bosh. You can allocate your resources into other positions and make your team that much better. Tell me which of the following you think sounds better:thedynasty1998 wrote: I read what you said, and you said the money could be allocated somewhere else. The missing piece for the Cavs is a big. Sure they could use help at the PG position, but a scoring PF is the piece needed, and that's the most important piece.
I understand that you think other pieces might be needed, but the Cavs don't have the cap space right now anyways. They will have to get really creative to go out and bring in an impact player, and I just don't see that happening because I don't know what pieces the Cavs have in place that are highly coveted?
1. LeBron and Bosh
2. CP3, LeBron and Jamison
See what I mean? I'm not saying Bosh wouldn't be a big upgrade, but the team could be made stronger by using their available flexibility in other areas. And I don't really think there is much of a chance of getting Bosh anyways--had we not traded for Jamison, then there would have been a decent chance.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 11:31am
I posted a poll, so we'll see what the OC thinks at least.gibby08 wrote: ^^^
I don't think so
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
May 24, 2010 11:32am
They need to make better use of Jamison. He isn't being used properly and was basically a non-factor in the playoffs.SQ_Crazies wrote:I clearly said that Bosh would be an upgrade, I mean, I said LeBron and Bosh would become the best duo in the league. But when you have Jamison, who is a very talented player in his own right, you don't NEED Bosh. You can allocate your resources into other positions and make your team that much better. Tell me which of the following you think sounds better:thedynasty1998 wrote: I read what you said, and you said the money could be allocated somewhere else. The missing piece for the Cavs is a big. Sure they could use help at the PG position, but a scoring PF is the piece needed, and that's the most important piece.
I understand that you think other pieces might be needed, but the Cavs don't have the cap space right now anyways. They will have to get really creative to go out and bring in an impact player, and I just don't see that happening because I don't know what pieces the Cavs have in place that are highly coveted?
1. LeBron and Bosh
2. CP3, LeBron and Jamison
See what I mean? I'm not saying Bosh wouldn't be a big upgrade, but the team could be made stronger by using their available flexibility in other areas. And I don't really think there is much of a chance of getting Bosh anyways--had we not traded for Jamison, then there would have been a decent chance.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 11:33am
That isn't what is being discussed, though I agree.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 24, 2010 11:37am
I get what you are saying.SQ_Crazies wrote: Tell me which of the following you think sounds better:
1. LeBron and Bosh
2. CP3, LeBron and Jamison
See what I mean? I'm not saying Bosh wouldn't be a big upgrade, but the team could be made stronger by using their available flexibility in other areas. And I don't really think there is much of a chance of getting Bosh anyways--had we not traded for Jamison, then there would have been a decent chance.
However, what available flexibility do the Cavs have? They have as limited flexibility as just about any team out there.
And Chris Paul is a dream. Let's keep it realistic.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 11:40am
Chris Paul is not a dream, it is realistic. It likely won't happen, but it's very plausible. And that was just an example anyways, the player wasn't the point I was trying to make.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
May 24, 2010 11:43am
Fine..if you think it's reailistic...get prepared to send a package that would most likely look like this:
Mo Williams/Delonte West
Hickson
Another Player
2011 First Round Draft Pick
That's what it would cost for Chris Paul
Mo Williams/Delonte West
Hickson
Another Player
2011 First Round Draft Pick
That's what it would cost for Chris Paul
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 11:44am
Um........does that not make it realistic? LOL
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
May 24, 2010 11:45am
If you want to cripple your team to make one person happy
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 24, 2010 11:47am
The scenario that you just painted would hardly cripple the team. It would make the Cavs much better.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
May 24, 2010 11:47am
With that statement....you have just taken the crown my friend
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 24, 2010 11:50am
If this seriously is the trade, the Cavs would take it in a second.gibby08 wrote: Fine..if you think it's reailistic...get prepared to send a package that would most likely look like this:
Mo Williams/Delonte West
Hickson
Another Player
2011 First Round Draft Pick
That's what it would cost for Chris Paul