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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
May 21, 2010 9:15am
Yeah I'm no creationist, not by a long shot, but this doesn't disprove God at all. Don't get me wrong this is awesome as freak, and the possibilities are endless...but just because we created life doesn't mean God doesn't exist. I could simply turn around and ask you what the hell caused the Big Bang? Where are all of the atoms from? It goes on and on. Science doesn't necessarily push God further and further into irrelevancy, it just explains more and more of the big picture. You can never say we know it all.
Also, the United States dominates this type of cutting-edge science. Be glad. The country that dominates this stuff will dominate the next century.
Also, the United States dominates this type of cutting-edge science. Be glad. The country that dominates this stuff will dominate the next century.
ohiotiger33
Posts: 1,500
May 21, 2010 9:16am
Oh here comes JMog--> NOW grab the coffee, and maybe a shield, because the shit is about to hit the fan in here.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
May 21, 2010 9:22am
Lets see here, life was created by intelligent beings. Hmm..... And this disproves an intellegent creator???
Now when life materialises out of nothing in a vaccum we may have something.
Now when life materialises out of nothing in a vaccum we may have something.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 9:22am
After reading deeper, they didn't CREATE life, they transplanted synthetic DNA that they created from multiple existing DNA fragments (they pieced together parts of various DNA fragments they wanted) and then put the new DNA in an already existing bacterium/cell.
In other words it was the first full DNA "transplant", like I said, completely novel and ground breaking, but not exactly as "sensational" as BCS made it in the original post.
I sure wish he would actually read the articles he posts sometimes.
In other words it was the first full DNA "transplant", like I said, completely novel and ground breaking, but not exactly as "sensational" as BCS made it in the original post.
I sure wish he would actually read the articles he posts sometimes.
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
May 21, 2010 9:39am
Hahahaha. Ummm ya. It's all true. Everything in that book is true and every scientific theory with mountains and mountains of evidence showing that the universe is 14 billion years old and there was life on earth for millions of years before humans is wrong.jmog wrote:This should be fun, show me the scientific "fact" that proves this.Mooney44Cards wrote:When an opinion goes against all scientific fact, it is nothing more than a fairy tale.ernest_t_bass wrote: Hi, my name is opinion. Nice to meet you.
Christianity: where they pick and choose which science to believe and which to ignore.
At least those who believe in evolution can point to new evidence discovered all the time that supports the theory. As far as I know there is nothing beyond the bible that supports creationism.
So good luck with believing in fairy tales.
I for one like to believe that just because the story of creation isn't true doesn't mean you can't believe in God. But whatever, I guess with some people if you believe in one thing, you have to believe it all.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
May 21, 2010 9:40am
But the researchers hope eventually to design bacterial cells that will produce medicines and fuels and even absorb greenhouse gases.
Can anyone else envision a scenario where they create something to 'fix' global warming and they overcorrect and we suddenly don't have enough CO2?Dr Helen Wallace from Genewatch UK, an organisation that monitors developments in genetic technologies, told BBC News that synthetic bacteria could be dangerous.
"If you release new organisms into the environment, you can do more harm than good," she said.
"By releasing them into areas of pollution, [with the aim of cleaning it up], you're actually releasing a new kind of pollution.
"We don't know how these organisms will behave in the environment."
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 9:41am
I asked for "facts", not your opinion or rhetoric. So I'm still waiting on "facts".Mooney44Cards wrote:
Hahahaha. Ummm ya. It's all true. Everything in that book is true and every scientific theory with mountains and mountains of evidence showing that the universe is 14 billion years old and there was life on earth for millions of years before humans is wrong.
At least those who believe in evolution can point to new evidence discovered all the time that supports the theory. As far as I know there is nothing beyond the bible that supports creationism.
So good luck with believing in fairy tales.
I for one like to believe that just because the story of creation isn't true doesn't mean you can't believe in God. But whatever, I guess with some people if you believe in one thing, you have to believe it all.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
May 21, 2010 10:33am
That is creating synthetic life.jmog wrote: After reading deeper, they didn't CREATE life, they transplanted synthetic DNA that they created from multiple existing DNA fragments (they pieced together parts of various DNA fragments they wanted) and then put the new DNA in an already existing bacterium/cell.
In other words it was the first full DNA "transplant", like I said, completely novel and ground breaking, but not exactly as "sensational" as BCS made it in the original post.
I sure wish he would actually read the articles he posts sometimes.
The bacterium was dead thus life was created.
I sure wish you would study some biology. You may be a scientist but you are very ingnorant of biology and geology.
That is where your words are misleading. I am a scientist. So what? You are in your field but that does not make you versed in all fields of science and with the nonsense you spout about geology and biology it shows it.
We have created synthetic life. No god needed.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
May 21, 2010 10:39am
Argument from incredulity,buckeyefalls wrote: "We" have created life? I don't think so. This doesn't prove anything. How did the first "life" get "life" then?
Hmm...
Oh yeah, it was that Big Bang that miraculously just produced life. I get it now.
Whether you believe we came from evolutionary products or from the first "man" you still have to prove where life came from originally.
Try studying and understanding
Yes we are figuring it out much to the dismay of the religious. Their god keeps getting smaller and smaller.
"This has been CONFIRMED in Dr. Jack Szostak's LAB. 2009 Nobel Laurette in medicine for his work on telomerase."
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
May 21, 2010 10:40am
fact:
the computer you're at, jmog. is made of plastics. some of which came from oil. it's powered by electricity which is either supplied by burning coal, or burning natural gas (most likely).
fact:
these things (oil, coal, natural gas) are the result of millions of years of burial, pressurization, and heating of carbon atoms from once living creatures.
fact:
according to the bible, life started roughly 2500 years ago.
the computer you're at, jmog. is made of plastics. some of which came from oil. it's powered by electricity which is either supplied by burning coal, or burning natural gas (most likely).
fact:
these things (oil, coal, natural gas) are the result of millions of years of burial, pressurization, and heating of carbon atoms from once living creatures.
fact:
according to the bible, life started roughly 2500 years ago.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
May 21, 2010 10:46am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form
More information of the creating of synthetic life.
Yes creating life.
More information of the creating of synthetic life.
Yes creating life.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
May 21, 2010 10:47am
This is stated nowhere in the Bible. Scholars have predicted this, but it is not fact. There is the GAP theory. This is not fact. It IS fact, that some PEOPLE think that life started that long ago.j_crazy wrote:
fact:
according to the bible, life started roughly 2500 years ago.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
May 21, 2010 10:48am
psst it is 6000 years ago.j_crazy wrote: fact:
the computer you're at, jmog. is made of plastics. some of which came from oil. it's powered by electricity which is either supplied by burning coal, or burning natural gas (most likely).
fact:
these things (oil, coal, natural gas) are the result of millions of years of burial, pressurization, and heating of carbon atoms from once living creatures.
fact:
according to the bible, life started roughly 2500 years ago.
Jmog competely ignores all evidence in geology he is completely ignorant of the science in that field whether it is on purpose or not I do not know.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 21, 2010 10:48am
I've never understood why people get off on bashing religion/science.
Some atheists are just as bad as evangelists
Some atheists are just as bad as evangelists
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 10:52am
They restored/changed the bacterium into another bacterium. They did not create a synthetic bacterium from scratch like you are alluding to.BCSbunk wrote:
That is creating synthetic life.
The bacterium was dead thus life was created.
I sure wish you would study some biology. You may be a scientist but you are very ingnorant of biology and geology.
That is where your words are misleading. I am a scientist. So what? You are in your field but that does not make you versed in all fields of science and with the nonsense you spout about geology and biology it shows it.
We have created synthetic life. No god needed.
Do you really want me to start putting links up to all of your absolutely retarded threads/posts where you have zero clue what you are talking about? How about that "china/socialist economy buying our debt" thread?
I've already said this is a huge breakthrough in the field of biomedical engineering. However, to say this is a huge breakthrough in the study of abiogenesis is laughable at best. This breakthrough has ZERO to do with proteins to single cell animal. They started with a cell and implanted synthetic DNA.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
May 21, 2010 10:52am
i'm not trying to get in this fight, i was just stating facts.
and you're right i don't know the OT enough to know when it presumes life to have started.
i can tell you that the failure to mention dinosaurs (which IMO would have been a big part of life) lead me to believe that the bible is at the very least set in the last million years or so.
and you're right i don't know the OT enough to know when it presumes life to have started.
i can tell you that the failure to mention dinosaurs (which IMO would have been a big part of life) lead me to believe that the bible is at the very least set in the last million years or so.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 10:54am
Your first "fact" is the only one that is fact.j_crazy wrote: fact:
the computer you're at, jmog. is made of plastics. some of which came from oil. it's powered by electricity which is either supplied by burning coal, or burning natural gas (most likely).
fact:
these things (oil, coal, natural gas) are the result of millions of years of burial, pressurization, and heating of carbon atoms from once living creatures.
fact:
according to the bible, life started roughly 2500 years ago.
Your 2nd one is not fact, you got the theory of burial, pressurization, and heating part right, but not fact that it takes millions of years.
You also screwed up the Bible's start of life age.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 10:56am
Actually I've had MANY geologically based posts/talks on these forums.BCSbunk wrote:
psst it is 6000 years ago.
Jmog competely ignores all evidence in geology he is completely ignorant of the science in that field whether it is on purpose or not I do not know.
Go back and read them, I haven't ignored any of it.
Show me one geological "fact" that proves millions of years old, and please, oh please start with some radiometric dating technique.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
May 21, 2010 10:58am
i guarantee that if you dig up the oldest known grave it's within 2 inches of it's original burial depth.jmog wrote:Your first "fact" is the only one that is fact.j_crazy wrote: fact:
the computer you're at, jmog. is made of plastics. some of which came from oil. it's powered by electricity which is either supplied by burning coal, or burning natural gas (most likely).
fact:
these things (oil, coal, natural gas) are the result of millions of years of burial, pressurization, and heating of carbon atoms from once living creatures.
fact:
according to the bible, life started roughly 2500 years ago.
Your 2nd one is not fact, you got the theory of burial, pressurization, and heating part right, but not fact that it takes millions of years.
You also screwed up the Bible's start of life age.
that's where the years come into play. it takes millions of years to be buried deep enough for the heat and pressure to be right to correctly form hydrocarbons. this (the temp and pressures) was proved when germans started making synthetic fossil fuels during WWII.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 10:58am
You stated 1 fact, you were 1 for 3.j_crazy wrote: i'm not trying to get in this fight, i was just stating facts.
and you're right i don't know the OT enough to know when it presumes life to have started.
i can tell you that the failure to mention dinosaurs (which IMO would have been a big part of life) lead me to believe that the bible is at the very least set in the last million years or so.
Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible and I have covered this quite a few times.
The word dinosaur was invented in the 1800s, so the English word "dinosaur" does not exist in a book that was translated into English in 1611, common sense tells us this.
However, look up "leviathon" and "bohemoth" in the Bible, and their descriptions, and please tell me that isn't a description of a dinosaur.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 11:02am
The temperatures/pressures things you again, are correct, but the millions of years to "move" isn't necessarily correct. Plus, those types of temperatures and pressures don't only exist "down low" look at volcanoes.j_crazy wrote:
i guarantee that if you dig up the oldest known grave it's within 2 inches of it's original burial depth.
that's where the years come into play. it takes millions of years to be buried deep enough for the heat and pressure to be right to correctly form hydrocarbons. this (the temp and pressures) was proved when germans started making synthetic fossil fuels during WWII.
Also, what you are assuming is it takes millions of years for "rock layers" and the like to "push" the dead bodies down.
However, cataclysmic events also form "rock layers" and push things down, like massive volcano eruptions, floods, etc.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 21, 2010 11:02am
Exactly what I was going to say. Only I think it is "Behemoth" and "Leviathan"jmog wrote: You stated 1 fact, you were 1 for 3.
Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible and I have covered this quite a few times.
The word dinosaur was invented in the 1800s, so the English word "dinosaur" does not exist in a book that was translated into English in 1611, common sense tells us this.
However, look up "leviathon" and "bohemoth" in the Bible, and their descriptions, and please tell me that isn't a description of a dinosaur.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 11:04am
You are right, in my haste to type I misspelled both, what a moron I amjordo212000 wrote:Exactly what I was going to say. Only I think it is "Behemoth" and "Leviathan"jmog wrote: You stated 1 fact, you were 1 for 3.
Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible and I have covered this quite a few times.
The word dinosaur was invented in the 1800s, so the English word "dinosaur" does not exist in a book that was translated into English in 1611, common sense tells us this.
However, look up "leviathon" and "bohemoth" in the Bible, and their descriptions, and please tell me that isn't a description of a dinosaur.
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j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
May 21, 2010 11:18am
jmog wrote:The temperatures/pressures things you again, are correct, but the millions of years to "move" isn't necessarily correct. Plus, those types of temperatures and pressures don't only exist "down low" look at volcanoes.j_crazy wrote:
i guarantee that if you dig up the oldest known grave it's within 2 inches of it's original burial depth.
that's where the years come into play. it takes millions of years to be buried deep enough for the heat and pressure to be right to correctly form hydrocarbons. this (the temp and pressures) was proved when germans started making synthetic fossil fuels during WWII.
Also, what you are assuming is it takes millions of years for "rock layers" and the like to "push" the dead bodies down.
However, cataclysmic events also form "rock layers" and push things down, like massive volcano eruptions, floods, etc.
volcanoes form igneous rocks which are not permeable. therefore it's not possible to produce oil and gas from volcanic rocks.
only shales or sandstones are permeable enough to commercially produce oil and gas from and they take millions of years to bury deep enough to achieve the hydrocarbon formation.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 21, 2010 11:20am
See, there you go with the "non-facts" again. You have stated a perfectly viable scientific theory, but not a fact.j_crazy wrote:
only shales or sandstones are permeable enough to commercially produce oil and gas from and they take millions of years to bury deep enough to achieve the hydrocarbon formation.