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krambman

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May 20, 2010 2:50 PM
bigkahuna wrote: Well I'm glad we agree lol.

I still stand by my statement of keeping ND and scheduling a mid BCS.

I will say though that the 2 years ND wasn't on the schedule, we played UCLA and Wasignton respectivley. They were both ranked in the top 15 when we played them. The year we played UCLA (2000) we also played Hawaii, so that could be why we didn't play ND. 2001, I have no idea why.

In 2002, we played #11 Washington and #20 ND WMU and Utah.... A fairly decent OOC schedule. We've done it in the past, so I don't see why we couldnt do it again (ND and another decent BCS opponent)
The new contract also has two consecutive off years built into it at some point. I think it's important for them to take a few years off occasionally so they they can schedule other opponents out of conference.
May 20, 2010 2:50pm
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Mr Pat

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May 20, 2010 3:23 PM
krazie45 wrote: I think it would be big if Michigan, Purdue, and MSU all threatened to not renew their contracts with Notre Dame to pressure them into reconsidering their independent status.
Ya know, I really don't think that would hurt Notre Dame in the slightest.
May 20, 2010 3:23pm
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Al Bundy

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May 20, 2010 8:04 PM
krambman wrote: kahuna and rock,

I get what you are saying and to an extent I agree. Kahuna, you actually made my point for me. I'm not saying that there isn't as much interest nationally with the ND/Michigan game because of the level of talent, but because they are about 3 hours apart, hence it being primarily of regional interest. When top programs fly cross country for an inter-sectional game, like the ones OSU has had recently, there is more interest nationally from the average college football fan. It has everything to do with demographics. Obviously since Notre Dame is independent they play a national schedule every year. Michigan on the other hand occasionally plays another formidable national opponent out of conference, but not as often as some other schools since they play a top (usually) BCS opponent out of conference in Notre Dame.

While I disagree with most of what insuranceguy is saying, I was arguing that there was some merit to it because of Michigan were to drop Notre Dame and begin scheduling some more top out of conference opponents from around the country in their place, much the way OSU has (Texas, USC, Miami, Cal, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Tennessee) then they would get more national exposure to the average football fan. Your average SEC football fan isn't watching Notre Dame vs. Michigan (yes, when it's in prime time on ABC more will watch), but they would watch Michigan play Florida State or Texas.
I think most rivalries become regional when the teams aren't the strongest in the country. Part of the attraction to OSU/USC and OSU/Tex was that both teams were rated very high. FSU/Miami used be a national game 20 years ago, but now it is more regional. If ND and Mich both get back to where they used to be, it would have a great interest nationally.
May 20, 2010 8:04pm
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rock_knutne

May 20, 2010 8:34 PM
Al Bundy wrote: I think most rivalries become regional when the teams aren't the strongest in the country. Part of the attraction to OSU/USC and OSU/Tex was that both teams were rated very high. FSU/Miami used be a national game 20 years ago, but now it is more regional. If ND and Mich both get back to where they used to be, it would have a great interest nationally.
Again, the ND/UM rivalry is not regional, there's a very big national interest in this game, regardless what shape both programs are in. I don't think it's a coincidence that this game gets national TV coverage, even when they play in Ann Arbor the game is always picked up nationally.
May 20, 2010 8:34pm
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rock_knutne

May 20, 2010 8:39 PM
Mr Pat wrote:
krazie45 wrote: I think it would be big if Michigan, Purdue, and MSU all threatened to not renew their contracts with Notre Dame to pressure them into reconsidering their independent status.
Ya know, I really don't think that would hurt Notre Dame in the slightest.
Other than ending three long time rivalry games, ND would have NO problem replacing those three teams on the schedule with similar opponents.
May 20, 2010 8:39pm
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dat dude

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May 20, 2010 8:42 PM
rock_knutne wrote:
Al Bundy wrote: I think most rivalries become regional when the teams aren't the strongest in the country. Part of the attraction to OSU/USC and OSU/Tex was that both teams were rated very high. FSU/Miami used be a national game 20 years ago, but now it is more regional. If ND and Mich both get back to where they used to be, it would have a great interest nationally.
Again, the ND/UM rivalry is not regional, there's a very big national interest in this game, regardless what shape both programs are in. I don't think it's a coincidence that this game gets national TV coverage, even when they play in Ann Arbor the game is always picked up nationally.
If by "national interest" you mean the ND subway alum spread out all over the nation, then I would agree. Other than that, there is very little national interest in this rivalry, especially considering the recent performance of each program.
May 20, 2010 8:42pm
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rock_knutne

May 20, 2010 8:47 PM
dat dude wrote:
rock_knutne wrote:
Al Bundy wrote: I think most rivalries become regional when the teams aren't the strongest in the country. Part of the attraction to OSU/USC and OSU/Tex was that both teams were rated very high. FSU/Miami used be a national game 20 years ago, but now it is more regional. If ND and Mich both get back to where they used to be, it would have a great interest nationally.
Again, the ND/UM rivalry is not regional, there's a very big national interest in this game, regardless what shape both programs are in. I don't think it's a coincidence that this game gets national TV coverage, even when they play in Ann Arbor the game is always picked up nationally.
If by "national interest" you mean the ND subway alum spread out all over the nation, then I would agree. Other than that, there is very little national interest in this rivalry, especially considering the recent performance of each program.
You're wrong. This game is the highest rated NCG in the country just about every year. Heck, even Michigan's former AD recognized that:

http://www.fanblogs.com/michigan/006996.php
May 20, 2010 8:47pm
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May 20, 2010 8:50 PM
I think they need to extend it.

I hate both teams with a pasison, but its still a game you look forward to watchng because year in and year out its pretty competitive
May 20, 2010 8:50pm
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dat dude

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May 20, 2010 8:58 PM
Rock - I definitely would not expect you to agree with me. So, no surprise there.

From my limited experience, nobody in California (or out west imo) cares one bit about a Notre Dame - UM game, unless it has major implications.
May 20, 2010 8:58pm
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dat dude

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May 20, 2010 9:50 PM
Ok, I never said it wouldn't have high ratings or many viewers. Don't most ND games have higher than average ratings due to the vast subway alumni? The issue was "national interest." One example would be the OSU-USC game, which had 10.6 million viewers. Until ND and UM get to that elite status, there will be little national following. Regardless, the PSU-UM game had 7.3 million viewers and I don't think anyone would agree that that game has a national following.

I don't even know why I bother to present an argument against you anyway. You are completely incapable of being objective on anything relating to your teams.
May 20, 2010 9:50pm
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rock_knutne

May 20, 2010 9:58 PM
Why is it that you can NEVER admit when you're wrong? BTW, OSU/USC was a primetime game between to highly ranked teams, ND/UM was a day game between two sub par programs and it received received big time ratings, Christ, the West Coast was probably just rolling out of bed at kickoff. The PSU/UM ratings is even more proof that Michigan carries national clout. (Paterno and PSU aren't far behind either)

You want to spout off about being objective, look in the mirror because you're never objective when it comes to one of the teams I follow........NEVER! You post garbage and when that garbage get's thrown back in your face with FACTS you whine about it!
May 20, 2010 9:58pm
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May 20, 2010 10:17 PM
Notre Dame/Michigan is a bigger game nationally than OSU/Michigan is.
May 20, 2010 10:17pm
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dat dude

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May 20, 2010 10:18 PM
Relax man, damn. No reason to get all worked up. People disagree all the time.

I think we don't agree on the term "national interest." I take that to mean fans of other schools are looking forward to the game, making plans to watch it, etc. I understand ND has a large following, as does UM. That is why I previously said "If by "national interest" you mean the ND subway alum spread out all over the nation, then I would agree." Obviously, that would be the case for UM as well. Given the fact that the PSU-UM game only got 1 million viewers less, if (and I think we would all agree this wouldn't be true) PSU's following = ND's following, then only 1 million additional views watched the ND-UM game. Hardly a major national interest.
May 20, 2010 10:18pm
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dat dude

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May 20, 2010 10:20 PM
karen lotz wrote: Notre Dame/Michigan is a bigger game nationally than OSU/Michigan is.
Not sure how that is relevant. I'm not trying to turn this into an OSU-ND pissing match, so relax ND posse.

And I would never say that the annual OSU/UM game has national interest.
May 20, 2010 10:20pm
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May 20, 2010 10:43 PM
Al Bundy wrote:
krambman wrote: kahuna and rock,

I get what you are saying and to an extent I agree. Kahuna, you actually made my point for me. I'm not saying that there isn't as much interest nationally with the ND/Michigan game because of the level of talent, but because they are about 3 hours apart, hence it being primarily of regional interest. When top programs fly cross country for an inter-sectional game, like the ones OSU has had recently, there is more interest nationally from the average college football fan. It has everything to do with demographics. Obviously since Notre Dame is independent they play a national schedule every year. Michigan on the other hand occasionally plays another formidable national opponent out of conference, but not as often as some other schools since they play a top (usually) BCS opponent out of conference in Notre Dame.

While I disagree with most of what insuranceguy is saying, I was arguing that there was some merit to it because of Michigan were to drop Notre Dame and begin scheduling some more top out of conference opponents from around the country in their place, much the way OSU has (Texas, USC, Miami, Cal, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Tennessee) then they would get more national exposure to the average football fan. Your average SEC football fan isn't watching Notre Dame vs. Michigan (yes, when it's in prime time on ABC more will watch), but they would watch Michigan play Florida State or Texas.
I think most rivalries become regional when the teams aren't the strongest in the country. Part of the attraction to OSU/USC and OSU/Tex was that both teams were rated very high. FSU/Miami used be a national game 20 years ago, but now it is more regional. If ND and Mich both get back to where they used to be, it would have a great interest nationally.
I agree with this post 100%. The games that spark national interest are the high profile games with two top ranked teams. It's a pretty simple concept. ND/Mich will always get great ratings due to large fan bases, but until it becomes a matchup similar to all the great games in the 80's and 90's, it just won't hold as much national clout from the average college football fan.

I do disagree with krambman that it's all about cross-sectional games, etc., unless the situation where both teams are highly rated presents itself. If OSU was unranked when USC came to Columbus, the average college football fan wouldn't watch or wouldn't care. Pretty easy concept to figure out. Two high ranked teams = high viewer/national interest. It doesn't matter who is involved.
May 20, 2010 10:43pm
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rock_knutne

May 20, 2010 11:13 PM
dat dude wrote:I think we don't agree on the term "national interest."
8.3 million viewers beg to differ.

BTW, UM/PSU was a nationally televised game:

http://live.psu.edu/story/42153
May 20, 2010 11:13pm
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dat dude

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May 20, 2010 11:40 PM
lol.....smh

Did you even read my post? I'm not being a smart ass at all, I just don't really think you took the time to understand it.
May 20, 2010 11:40pm
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rock_knutne

May 20, 2010 11:49 PM
I read it, understand it and I don't agree with it. That game is of huge national interest every single year even with both programs having struggled recently. Large national fan bases equals national interest and many of the haters tune in because they want to see one of them lose. It doesn't matter how you slice it up in regards to the fan base, the numbers clearly show there's a national interest in this game, you don't get that kind of viewership for a 3:30 kickoff if there isn't national interest.
May 20, 2010 11:49pm
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dat dude

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May 21, 2010 12:07 AM
Ok, thats fine. I guess my follow-up question would be what is your opinion of the PSU-UM game? Wasn't that a 3:30 start? Do you think that is of "national interest?" If so, wouldn't you agree that ND's fanbase has a much larger viewership/following than PSU's? The viewership discrepancy between the two games was not that large.

And I realllllllly don't think you will find any ND fans (or UM fans for that matter) that would agree that the ND-UM game is "of huge national interest every single year." In my history of living out of the region, people who have no ties to either university DO NOT care about the game, unless they are both highly ranked teams.
May 21, 2010 12:07am
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May 21, 2010 1:31 AM
dat dude wrote:
karen lotz wrote: Notre Dame/Michigan is a bigger game nationally than OSU/Michigan is.
Not sure how that is relevant. I'm not trying to turn this into an OSU-ND pissing match, so relax ND posse.

And I would never say that the annual OSU/UM game has national interest.
Really? Ohio State vs Michigan no national interest? Best Damn Sports show had it rated as the number 1 or 2 of the GOAT rivalrys in all sports..not just CFB. 2 weeks ago I was listening to FSR...the 3 o'clock guys..Hartman and Friends they call it. Pat O'Brien and Hartman were talking about games they want to go to. Not college football, all sports and one of the guys said, "The one thing I've always wanted to do was see an Ohio State/Michigan game." This was unprompted..they weren't even talking about football and this was happening in early May so it wasn't even on their mind. Plus, those guys are West Coast/LA snobs on FSR where CFB isn't nearly as big. He could have said anything..Auburn/Alabama, Army/Navy, Yanks/Red Sox for the pennent, Duke/UNC..but off the cuff it was Ohio State vs Michigan. There's no regional coverage during OSU/UM. ABC has one game on at noon..entire country. Only UT/OU and OSU/UM get that priviledge for noon kickoffs.
May 21, 2010 1:31am
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rock_knutne

May 21, 2010 7:54 AM
^^^^^Who cares?
May 21, 2010 7:54am
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May 21, 2010 11:18 AM
lol, notre dame fans complaining that someone wont schedule them...
the one thing i do agree on is that notre dame does have a fanbase all over the country. When I was in LA for the rose bowl, i was at a sports store in a mall and they had usc, ucla, and notre dame merchandise. Same with the pro teams for steelers..san diego, oakland, san fran, and pitt.

btw rock saying someone else cant admit when they are wrong when you cant either. you just come back with who cares????
May 21, 2010 11:18am
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rock_knutne

May 21, 2010 11:44 AM
^^^^^Who cares what you think, like anything you post is relevant? BTW dumb ass, UM, MSU and Purdue can walk away, ND would have NO problem replacing them!
May 21, 2010 11:44am
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May 21, 2010 12:02 PM
Pick6 wrote: lol, notre dame fans complaining that someone wont schedule them...
the one thing i do agree on is that notre dame does have a fanbase all over the country. When I was in LA for the rose bowl, i was at a sports store in a mall and they had usc, ucla, and notre dame merchandise. Same with the pro teams for steelers..san diego, oakland, san fran, and pitt.

btw rock saying someone else cant admit when they are wrong when you cant either. you just come back with who cares????
Who is complaining Michigan won't schedule ND?

The bigger LOL is for the bucknutz who say the 3 Big Ten teams Notre Dame has long standing rivalries with should boycott them in an effort to get them to accept an invitation.
May 21, 2010 12:02pm