jordo212000 wrote: He picked up on the bandwagon vibe. "Foofs and trendies are not welcome. Clevelanders buy gobs of team garb (Indians stuff in the golden '90s, Cavaliers in 2010, Browns always) and pray for a championship."

Cleveland always supports the Browns no matter what. But the Indians and Cavs are a completely different story. The Cavs were on the verge of moving before the got Lebron and ever since the Indians final sell out at the Jake during the good years, the support has been tepid

SportsAndLady wrote: Ehh, i dont know.

I think in every city, you will see a declining popularity and outsourced money will continue to fall if the team is awful...and that is exactly how the Cavs were before Lebron and after their great teams in the early to mid 90's. I'm not saying there aren't bandwagon fans because there will always be bandwagon fans for every team when they are good, but most Cavs fans were just so depressed about how awful they were, why would they go out and spend money on them and continue to feed rich owners who couldn't supply a good team?

I'm not sure about the Indians though, I'm not too familiar with the affiliation the fans have had, seeing as how I am a Reds fan.

devil1197 wrote: Let me just get it out of the way

Al: Mistake on the lake blah blah bliggity blah.

jordo212000 wrote:

SportsAndLady wrote: Ehh, i dont know.

I think in every city, you will see a declining popularity and outsourced money will continue to fall if the team is awful...and that is exactly how the Cavs were before Lebron and after their great teams in the early to mid 90's. I'm not saying there aren't bandwagon fans because there will always be bandwagon fans for every team when they are good, but most Cavs fans were just so depressed about how awful they were, why would they go out and spend money on them and continue to feed rich owners who couldn't supply a good team?

I'm not sure about the Indians though, I'm not too familiar with the affiliation the fans have had, seeing as how I am a Reds fan.

Indians fans are particularly bandwagonny. I've never seen so many people whine about how little their team spends and then in the next breath talk about how they refuse to go to a game... and that the only time they will go is when they start winning. That doesn't make any sense. I didn't make that up either. There was a thread a few weeks ago where they were saying that.

If I lived within an hour of the Indians (or Reds, who I root for) I'd be there several times a year. I'd love to go just so I can see the other teams stars play.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Bandwagon is the most overused term in sports. Probably to a greater extent than overrated.

Writerbuckeye wrote: The only way fans can truly express their displeasure with how an operation is run -- is with their money and their feet. I have no problem when fans decide enough is enough and stop supporting a franchise because it has poor ownership.

Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.

I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer and Dolan family and Ted Stepien.

krazie45 wrote:

Writerbuckeye wrote: The only way fans can truly express their displeasure with how an operation is run -- is with their money and their feet. I have no problem when fans decide enough is enough and stop supporting a franchise because it has poor ownership.

Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.

I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer and Dolan family and Ted Stepien.

Fixed it for you...

As for Cleveland, it's ok but it could be better. They need to take advantage of the lakefront and get rid of that pointless airport by the rock hall. They also need to give the flats a facelift. It's not as nice as say Columbus but I'd take it over a city like Detroit any day.

krazie45 wrote:

Writerbuckeye wrote: The only way fans can truly express their displeasure with how an operation is run -- is with their money and their feet. I have no problem when fans decide enough is enough and stop supporting a franchise because it has poor ownership.

Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.

I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer and Dolan family and Ted Stepien.

Fixed it for you...

As for Cleveland, it's ok but it could be better. They need to take advantage of the lakefront and get rid of that pointless airport by the rock hall. They also need to give the flats a facelift. It's not as nice as say Columbus but I'd take it over a city like Detroit any day.

Al Capone wrote: Forbes.com just named Pittsburgh Americas most livable city. Go to their site and read and weep you Cleveland jerkoffs. I tried to find where Cleveland rated but couldn't find them. hahaha
The mistake by the lake lives on.hahaha

Al Capone wrote: Born and Bred in the #1 city. Have since relocated. So you, STFU.