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hrspeedmerchant
Posts: 165
May 3, 2010 6:00am
Nice to see the truth printed by an out-of-town reporter.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/05/boston_scribe_shaughnessy_clev.html
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/05/boston_scribe_shaughnessy_clev.html
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
May 3, 2010 9:11am
Reverse psychology.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 3, 2010 9:14am
Thirsty? Walk into Flannery's Pub on East Fourth and Prospect. Do not ask to see the wine list. And forget the Heineken. You can get a 24-ounce can of Pabst Blue Ribbon for a fin. If you give the barkeep a $10 bill, the guy won't look down on you and ask, "Do you need change with that?"
I can vouch for that. Great place.
I can vouch for that. Great place.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 3, 2010 10:17am
He picked up on the bandwagon vibe. "Foofs and trendies are not welcome. Clevelanders buy gobs of team garb (Indians stuff in the golden '90s, Cavaliers in 2010, Browns always) and pray for a championship."
Cleveland always supports the Browns no matter what. But the Indians and Cavs are a completely different story. The Cavs were on the verge of moving before the got Lebron and ever since the Indians final sell out at the Jake during the good years, the support has been tepid
Cleveland always supports the Browns no matter what. But the Indians and Cavs are a completely different story. The Cavs were on the verge of moving before the got Lebron and ever since the Indians final sell out at the Jake during the good years, the support has been tepid
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
May 3, 2010 10:18am
When will NCF show up on this thread...
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 3, 2010 10:36am
Ehh, i dont know.jordo212000 wrote: He picked up on the bandwagon vibe. "Foofs and trendies are not welcome. Clevelanders buy gobs of team garb (Indians stuff in the golden '90s, Cavaliers in 2010, Browns always) and pray for a championship."
Cleveland always supports the Browns no matter what. But the Indians and Cavs are a completely different story. The Cavs were on the verge of moving before the got Lebron and ever since the Indians final sell out at the Jake during the good years, the support has been tepid
I think in every city, you will see a declining popularity and outsourced money will continue to fall if the team is awful...and that is exactly how the Cavs were before Lebron and after their great teams in the early to mid 90's. I'm not saying there aren't bandwagon fans because there will always be bandwagon fans for every team when they are good, but most Cavs fans were just so depressed about how awful they were, why would they go out and spend money on them and continue to feed rich owners who couldn't supply a good team?
I'm not sure about the Indians though, I'm not too familiar with the affiliation the fans have had, seeing as how I am a Reds fan.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 3, 2010 10:47am
Indians fans are particularly bandwagonny. I've never seen so many people whine about how little their team spends and then in the next breath talk about how they refuse to go to a game... and that the only time they will go is when they start winning. That doesn't make any sense. I didn't make that up either. There was a thread a few weeks ago where they were saying that.SportsAndLady wrote: Ehh, i dont know.
I think in every city, you will see a declining popularity and outsourced money will continue to fall if the team is awful...and that is exactly how the Cavs were before Lebron and after their great teams in the early to mid 90's. I'm not saying there aren't bandwagon fans because there will always be bandwagon fans for every team when they are good, but most Cavs fans were just so depressed about how awful they were, why would they go out and spend money on them and continue to feed rich owners who couldn't supply a good team?
I'm not sure about the Indians though, I'm not too familiar with the affiliation the fans have had, seeing as how I am a Reds fan.
If I lived within an hour of the Indians (or Reds, who I root for) I'd be there several times a year. I'd love to go just so I can see the other teams stars play.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
May 3, 2010 10:49am
Let me just get it out of the way
Al: Mistake on the lake blah blah bliggity blah.
Al: Mistake on the lake blah blah bliggity blah.
2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
May 3, 2010 10:52am
bam u just shitted on the whole threaddevil1197 wrote: Let me just get it out of the way
Al: Mistake on the lake blah blah bliggity blah.
the game is over, the game is over
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 3, 2010 10:52am
I agree, and i'm not really arguing with you.. Just saying that you will pretty much find that everywhere..if the quality on the field is poor, so will the attendance and general feeling towards the team by the fans.jordo212000 wrote:Indians fans are particularly bandwagonny. I've never seen so many people whine about how little their team spends and then in the next breath talk about how they refuse to go to a game... and that the only time they will go is when they start winning. That doesn't make any sense. I didn't make that up either. There was a thread a few weeks ago where they were saying that.SportsAndLady wrote: Ehh, i dont know.
I think in every city, you will see a declining popularity and outsourced money will continue to fall if the team is awful...and that is exactly how the Cavs were before Lebron and after their great teams in the early to mid 90's. I'm not saying there aren't bandwagon fans because there will always be bandwagon fans for every team when they are good, but most Cavs fans were just so depressed about how awful they were, why would they go out and spend money on them and continue to feed rich owners who couldn't supply a good team?
I'm not sure about the Indians though, I'm not too familiar with the affiliation the fans have had, seeing as how I am a Reds fan.
If I lived within an hour of the Indians (or Reds, who I root for) I'd be there several times a year. I'd love to go just so I can see the other teams stars play.
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Swamp Fox
Posts: 2,218
May 3, 2010 10:56am
Downtown Cleveland is actually very nice. I think the City Fathers have started to get it together and I enjoyed my last weekend conference in Cleveland. A pretty good choice of food places, local watering holes abound and the Flats is always a fun place to wile away a few hours. Cleveland is no longer so much the "mistake by the lake".
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
May 3, 2010 1:23pm
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
May 3, 2010 1:43pm
The only way fans can truly express their displeasure with how an operation is run -- is with their money and their feet. I have no problem when fans decide enough is enough and stop supporting a franchise because it has poor ownership.
Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.
I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer family and Ted Stepien.
Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.
I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer family and Ted Stepien.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
May 3, 2010 2:12pm
This reporter is either blind, deaf, dumb, drunk, or on drugs. He has lost all credibility as a reporter. Cleveland deserves what they have period! They deserve nothing more! What's next out of this buffones mouth? Browns win the superbowl. hahaha
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 3, 2010 2:24pm
Bandwagon is the most overused term in sports. Probably to a greater extent than overrated.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 3, 2010 2:57pm
Would you prefer frontrunner?SQ_Crazies wrote: Bandwagon is the most overused term in sports. Probably to a greater extent than overrated.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
May 3, 2010 2:58pm
Frontrunner...bandwagon...same shit.
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
May 3, 2010 3:03pm
Fixed it for you...Writerbuckeye wrote: The only way fans can truly express their displeasure with how an operation is run -- is with their money and their feet. I have no problem when fans decide enough is enough and stop supporting a franchise because it has poor ownership.
Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.
I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer and Dolan family and Ted Stepien.
As for Cleveland, it's ok but it could be better. They need to take advantage of the lakefront and get rid of that pointless airport by the rock hall. They also need to give the flats a facelift. It's not as nice as say Columbus but I'd take it over a city like Detroit any day.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
May 3, 2010 3:32pm
Pretty sure the only city I wouldn't take over Detroit is Compton, and it's close!krazie45 wrote:Fixed it for you...Writerbuckeye wrote: The only way fans can truly express their displeasure with how an operation is run -- is with their money and their feet. I have no problem when fans decide enough is enough and stop supporting a franchise because it has poor ownership.
Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.
I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer and Dolan family and Ted Stepien.
As for Cleveland, it's ok but it could be better. They need to take advantage of the lakefront and get rid of that pointless airport by the rock hall. They also need to give the flats a facelift. It's not as nice as say Columbus but I'd take it over a city like Detroit any day.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
May 3, 2010 4:24pm
Save your fix. Until they do what the Stouffer family did for about 40 years, they don't qualify.krazie45 wrote:Fixed it for you...Writerbuckeye wrote: The only way fans can truly express their displeasure with how an operation is run -- is with their money and their feet. I have no problem when fans decide enough is enough and stop supporting a franchise because it has poor ownership.
Cleveland, of all major league cities, has probably had one of the worst owners in league history for each of its three sports teams.
I defy anyone to find three worse in one city than Art Modell, the Stouffer and Dolan family and Ted Stepien.
As for Cleveland, it's ok but it could be better. They need to take advantage of the lakefront and get rid of that pointless airport by the rock hall. They also need to give the flats a facelift. It's not as nice as say Columbus but I'd take it over a city like Detroit any day.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
May 4, 2010 12:24pm
Forbes.com just named Pittsburgh Americas most livable city. Go to their site and read and weep you Cleveland jerkoffs. I tried to find where Cleveland rated but couldn't find them. hahaha
The mistake by the lake lives on.hahaha
The mistake by the lake lives on.hahaha
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 4, 2010 12:28pm
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONE ONEONE11111!!!!
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
May 4, 2010 1:30pm
Do you live in Pittsburgh? If not, STFU.Al Capone wrote: Forbes.com just named Pittsburgh Americas most livable city. Go to their site and read and weep you Cleveland jerkoffs. I tried to find where Cleveland rated but couldn't find them. hahaha
The mistake by the lake lives on.hahaha
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
May 4, 2010 2:12pm
Born and Bred in the #1 city. Have since relocated. So you, STFU.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
May 4, 2010 2:14pm
Well, that explains everything then.Al Capone wrote: Born and Bred in the #1 city. Have since relocated. So you, STFU.