LJ wrote:

krazie45 wrote: The presence of two arenas drives up the bidding cost for those concerts and events. The Schott is an unnecessary structure that has arguably the worst college basketball atmosphere in the nation.

The Schott may have come first, but an arena of that size makes more sense where Nationwide Arena is located around the various restaurants, bars, etc...of downtown Columbus.

A college arena doesn't beloing downtown, and it's not OSU's fault that the Blue Jackets can't pay their bills.

krazie45 wrote:

LJ wrote:

krazie45 wrote: The presence of two arenas drives up the bidding cost for those concerts and events. The Schott is an unnecessary structure that has arguably the worst college basketball atmosphere in the nation.

The Schott may have come first, but an arena of that size makes more sense where Nationwide Arena is located around the various restaurants, bars, etc...of downtown Columbus.

A college arena doesn't beloing downtown, and it's not OSU's fault that the Blue Jackets can't pay their bills.

You're right, it doesn't. Hence my suggestion of renovating the more conveniently placed St. John Arena.

My point is that Columbus should have only 1 20,000 seat arena to host concerts, events, and pro sports and that arena should be located downtown.

thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?

I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

krazie45 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?

I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

Let's put that theory to the test. Here are the top 20 cities in the US by population and how many arenas they have of at least 18,000 seats.


1. New York-1-Madison Square Garden (Nassau holds just over 16k, Prudential Center is in New Jersey)
2. Los Angeles-2-Staples Center, The Forum
3. Chicago-1-United Center
4. Houston-1-Toyota Center
5. Phoenix-2-US Airways Center, Jobing.com Arena (which is being generous considering it's technically in Glendale)
6. Philadelphia-2-Wachovia Center, The Spectrum (again being generous since The Spectrum is closed and will be torn down soon)
7. San Antonio-2-Alamodome, AT&T Center
8. Dallas-1-American Airlines Center
9. San Diego-0
10. San Jose-1-HP Pavilion
11. Detroit-2-Joe Louis Arena, Palace of Auburn Hills (once again being generous since the palace is technically in Auburn Hills)
12. San Francisco-1-Oracle Arena (Another generosity since it's technically in Oakland)
13. Jacksonville-0
14. Indianapolis-1-Conseco Fieldhouse
15. Austin-0
16. Columbus-2-Nationwide Arena, Value City Arena
17. Fort Worth-0
18. Charlotte-1-Time Warner Cable Arena
19. Memphis-2-FedEx Forum, Pyramid Arena (Generous since Pyramid is currently closed)
20. Baltimore-0


So as you can see, in fact it is not common for a city to have 2 large arenas like Columbus. It is actually very rare.

As for an NBA team in Columbus, I would say the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. The Cavs are pretty much Ohio's team and Ohio really isn't a big enough basketball state to host two NBA teams. I think Columbus' NBA team pretty much is Ohio State considering the layout of the Schott and the atmosphere they try to create there.

bartsimpson wrote:

krazie45 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?

I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

Let's put that theory to the test. Here are the top 20 cities in the US by population and how many arenas they have of at least 18,000 seats.


1. New York-1-Madison Square Garden (Nassau holds just over 16k, Prudential Center is in New Jersey)
2. Los Angeles-2-Staples Center, The Forum
3. Chicago-1-United Center
4. Houston-1-Toyota Center
5. Phoenix-2-US Airways Center, Jobing.com Arena (which is being generous considering it's technically in Glendale)
6. Philadelphia-2-Wachovia Center, The Spectrum (again being generous since The Spectrum is closed and will be torn down soon)
7. San Antonio-2-Alamodome, AT&T Center
8. Dallas-1-American Airlines Center
9. San Diego-0
10. San Jose-1-HP Pavilion
11. Detroit-2-Joe Louis Arena, Palace of Auburn Hills (once again being generous since the palace is technically in Auburn Hills)
12. San Francisco-1-Oracle Arena (Another generosity since it's technically in Oakland)
13. Jacksonville-0
14. Indianapolis-1-Conseco Fieldhouse
15. Austin-0
16. Columbus-2-Nationwide Arena, Value City Arena
17. Fort Worth-0
18. Charlotte-1-Time Warner Cable Arena
19. Memphis-2-FedEx Forum, Pyramid Arena (Generous since Pyramid is currently closed)
20. Baltimore-0


So as you can see, in fact it is not common for a city to have 2 large arenas like Columbus. It is actually very rare.

As for an NBA team in Columbus, I would say the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. The Cavs are pretty much Ohio's team and Ohio really isn't a big enough basketball state to host two NBA teams. I think Columbus' NBA team pretty much is Ohio State considering the layout of the Schott and the atmosphere they try to create there.

That's not a real fair comparison. All of the towns you list that have a major college basketball program in them have at least two arenas....the towns that don't have 2 do not have a college team that in most cases is always going to have their own arena.

krazie45 wrote:

bartsimpson wrote:

krazie45 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?

I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

Let's put that theory to the test. Here are the top 20 cities in the US by population and how many arenas they have of at least 18,000 seats.


1. New York-1-Madison Square Garden (Nassau holds just over 16k, Prudential Center is in New Jersey)
2. Los Angeles-2-Staples Center, The Forum
3. Chicago-1-United Center
4. Houston-1-Toyota Center
5. Phoenix-2-US Airways Center, Jobing.com Arena (which is being generous considering it's technically in Glendale)
6. Philadelphia-2-Wachovia Center, The Spectrum (again being generous since The Spectrum is closed and will be torn down soon)
7. San Antonio-2-Alamodome, AT&T Center
8. Dallas-1-American Airlines Center
9. San Diego-0
10. San Jose-1-HP Pavilion
11. Detroit-2-Joe Louis Arena, Palace of Auburn Hills (once again being generous since the palace is technically in Auburn Hills)
12. San Francisco-1-Oracle Arena (Another generosity since it's technically in Oakland)
13. Jacksonville-0
14. Indianapolis-1-Conseco Fieldhouse
15. Austin-0
16. Columbus-2-Nationwide Arena, Value City Arena
17. Fort Worth-0
18. Charlotte-1-Time Warner Cable Arena
19. Memphis-2-FedEx Forum, Pyramid Arena (Generous since Pyramid is currently closed)
20. Baltimore-0


So as you can see, in fact it is not common for a city to have 2 large arenas like Columbus. It is actually very rare.

As for an NBA team in Columbus, I would say the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. The Cavs are pretty much Ohio's team and Ohio really isn't a big enough basketball state to host two NBA teams. I think Columbus' NBA team pretty much is Ohio State considering the layout of the Schott and the atmosphere they try to create there.

That's not a real fair comparison. All of the towns you list that have a major college basketball program in them have at least two arenas....the towns that don't have 2 do not have a college team that in most cases is always going to have their own arena.

I'm not sure where you're getting that from. The only places that have 2 arenas pretty much have 1 active arena and an older arena that's defunct. None of the aforementioned cities have a pro and college arena that seats that many people.

Plus I was referring to your comment that every single one of those cities have 2 huge arenas. I have proven that that is indeed a false presumption. Therefore I have no idea how you could say it's an unfair comparison based on your comments.

Columbus does not need two large arenas and they are in the large minority in having them. Most of these cities that also have colleges have a large arena for pro sports/concerts and a smaller arena for their college team. I would be perfectly fine with that in Columbus as per my recommendation of renovating St. John Arena.

LJ wrote:So get rid of Nationwide....

krazie45 wrote:

LJ wrote:So get rid of Nationwide....

That is by far the most idiotic comment I've ever heard. Nationwide is a superior arena, it's in a better location, it is more necessary for its purpose, it brings downtown to life.

The Schottenstein Center is poorly located, larger than necessity, a terrible basketball/hockey atmosphere, an inferior building to Nationwide both in structure, amenities, and technology. Nationwide is widely regarded as one of the best arenas in the NHL.

thedynasty1998 wrote: You make an interesting point. However, the Scott was built first, therefore it became Columbus' first large arena. Then when Columbus got the hockey team, they needed somewhere for them to play and they obviously were not going to play at a place that is owned by the University.

If Nationwide would have been in place first, maybe the renovation of St. Johns would have made more sense.

krazie45 wrote: The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.

What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

krazie45 wrote: The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.

What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.

I don't know if you are really understanding the situation. OSU is fine and is likely profiting from the Arena.

Back when they built it, they built it with money as the motivator. They could add seats and corporate boxes and make an Arena that could attract other events such as concerts. At that time, it was a brilliant move, and would likely still be considered one today, even though today they do have some competition.

krazie45 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: You make an interesting point. However, the Scott was built first, therefore it became Columbus' first large arena. Then when Columbus got the hockey team, they needed somewhere for them to play and they obviously were not going to play at a place that is owned by the University.

If Nationwide would have been in place first, maybe the renovation of St. Johns would have made more sense.

The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.

What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.

thedynasty1998 wrote: You just don't get it, it's about money. In a perfect world, OSU would value the overall atmosphere more, but that's not the world we live in. It's about generating revenue, and they can generate more revenue at the Scott.

krazie45 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: You make an interesting point. However, the Scott was built first, therefore it became Columbus' first large arena. Then when Columbus got the hockey team, they needed somewhere for them to play and they obviously were not going to play at a place that is owned by the University.

If Nationwide would have been in place first, maybe the renovation of St. Johns would have made more sense.

The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.

What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.