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Prescott
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Apr 19, 2010 10:13am
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Swamp Fox
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Apr 19, 2010 10:21am
It's hard to say. I still think it may be time to deal him for some players who can help the Steelers right away. I think that both sides would be the winners if this was done. The sooner, the better.
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Prescott
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Apr 19, 2010 10:33am
The Steelers won't trade Roethlisberger. He is a top 10 QB and they would never get equal value.If this story is an accurate breakdown of what is alleged, then Roethlisberger is guilty of being stupid and boorish, but not criminal .
The one line that I found interesting was this:
She told him something that officers found perplexing: the woman claimed that she and the 6-foot-5 Mr. Roethlisberger had sex while she was sitting on the toilet.
The one line that I found interesting was this:
She told him something that officers found perplexing: the woman claimed that she and the 6-foot-5 Mr. Roethlisberger had sex while she was sitting on the toilet.
SportsAndLady
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Apr 19, 2010 10:34am
You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.Prescott wrote: He is a top 10 QB
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BR1986FB
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Apr 19, 2010 10:48am
Put him on the Rams or Raiders and see if he's still top 4 or 5 in your eyes. Bet he isn't.SportsAndLady wrote:You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.Prescott wrote: He is a top 10 QB
SportsAndLady
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Apr 19, 2010 10:56am
It's not like the Steelers O-line is good..sooooBR1986FB wrote: Put him on the Rams or Raiders and see if he's still top 4 or 5 in your eyes. Bet he isn't.
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Nate
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Apr 19, 2010 11:05am
I'd take Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers and Rivers over Ben... I'm sure I could think of more.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 19, 2010 11:13am
He's in the perfect system for his skill set. If he would have come into the league with the Lions, Browns or Rams, I don't think he's the household name that he is today. Just my opinion....SportsAndLady wrote:It's not like the Steelers O-line is good..sooooBR1986FB wrote: Put him on the Rams or Raiders and see if he's still top 4 or 5 in your eyes. Bet he isn't.
jordo212000
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Apr 19, 2010 11:24am
Haha, no.... I don't think so. Nice try though.SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
SportsAndLady
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Apr 19, 2010 11:28am
His stats sure point to that, and he does have the titles...why is that so outrageous?jordo212000 wrote:Haha, no.... I don't think so. Nice try though.SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
And what do you mean, nice try? It's not like I'm a Steelers fan, nor do I get anything from saying he is top 5... it's just a casual observation.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Apr 19, 2010 11:32am
Sorry, but anyone who sees Ben as a top 4 or 5 QB is an idiot.
He's good, top 10ish for sure, I would put him in the 8-12 range but like someone said above...
Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Favre (if he comes back), and maybe even Schaub are for sure above Roethlesberger.
After that you can place him in the group with Romo, McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. Ben, even at best, is 7th, given the most optimistic view of him, he's 7th, not 4th or 5th.
He's good, top 10ish for sure, I would put him in the 8-12 range but like someone said above...
Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Favre (if he comes back), and maybe even Schaub are for sure above Roethlesberger.
After that you can place him in the group with Romo, McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. Ben, even at best, is 7th, given the most optimistic view of him, he's 7th, not 4th or 5th.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 19, 2010 11:49am
Maybe he's not 4th or 5th best, but someone who would argue that a QB who threw for over 4000 passing yards, 26 TDs, and 12 INTs and has 2 Super Bowl rings is top 5 certainly isn't an idiot.jmog wrote: Sorry, but anyone who sees Ben as a top 4 or 5 QB is an idiot.
Automatik
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Apr 19, 2010 11:54am
Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees......end of argument.
Although I think you could flip flop Roethlisberger and Brees.
Schaub? Rodgers? Now that is funny.
Although I think you could flip flop Roethlisberger and Brees.
Schaub? Rodgers? Now that is funny.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Apr 19, 2010 11:57am
Funny how the "ring argument" gets used here, but cannot be used at all in regards to Kobe-LebronSportsAndLady wrote:
Maybe he's not 4th or 5th best, but someone who would argue that a QB who threw for over 4000 passing yards, 26 TDs, and 12 INTs and has 2 Super Bowl rings is top 5 certainly isn't an idiot.
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dat dude
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Apr 19, 2010 11:59am
Schaub may be funny. Rodgers definitely isn't. Most would put him ahead of Ben.Automatik wrote: Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees......end of argument.
Although I think you could flip flop Roethlisberger and Brees.
Schaub? Rodgers? Now that is funny.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 19, 2010 12:02pm
No one said it can't be used at all...simply, that you cannot say Kobe is better than Lebron because he has rings and Lebron doesn't. There are many variables involved in that...two completely different situations.jordo212000 wrote:Funny how the "ring argument" gets used here, but cannot be used at all in regards to Kobe-LebronSportsAndLady wrote:
Maybe he's not 4th or 5th best, but someone who would argue that a QB who threw for over 4000 passing yards, 26 TDs, and 12 INTs and has 2 Super Bowl rings is top 5 certainly isn't an idiot.
jordo212000
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Apr 19, 2010 12:22pm
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning are all better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 19, 2010 12:24pm
I don't know if I'd take Eli Manning over Roethlisberger but I don't think Ben is top 5.
jordo212000
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Apr 19, 2010 12:28pm
People forget how good Pittsburgh's defense has been and how well they have been coached over the years. You put any halfway decent QB on that team and they can do some damage.BR1986FB wrote: I don't know if I'd take Eli Manning over Roethlisberger but I don't think Ben is top 5.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 19, 2010 12:28pm
Cool.jordo212000 wrote:Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning are all better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
Thanks for your opinion, I guess?
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Apr 19, 2010 12:29pm
Your welcome... I just figured since you were throwing around opinions as gospel, I should do the sameSportsAndLady wrote:
Thanks for your opinion, I guess?
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 19, 2010 12:32pm
That's either one tall shitter or Ben is hung like a horse.Prescott wrote: The Steelers won't trade Roethlisberger. He is a top 10 QB and they would never get equal value.If this story is an accurate breakdown of what is alleged, then Roethlisberger is guilty of being stupid and boorish, but not criminal .
The one line that I found interesting was this:
She told him something that officers found perplexing: the woman claimed that she and the 6-foot-5 Mr. Roethlisberger had sex while she was sitting on the toilet.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 19, 2010 12:33pm
I mean I didn't make the greatest argument in Ben's case, simply because I don't want to take the time to look at all the stats...but I at least threw out a few stats..jordo212000 wrote:Your welcome... I just figured since you were throwing around opinions as gospel, I should do the sameSportsAndLady wrote:
Thanks for your opinion, I guess?
LJ
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Apr 19, 2010 12:34pm
Yes Yes Yes Push No Nojordo212000 wrote:Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning are all better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 19, 2010 12:35pm
As for the Ben "ranking" argument....I'd say anywhere from 5th-7th sounds about right.