Writerbuckeye wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: I wouldn't be able to take that.

Church should be church as far as I'm concerned. Not a theater performance.

You can't get more theatrical than a Roman Catholic service, what with all the pomp, circumstance and different raiments. It's part of the ritual and mystique that has been a part of the Catholic Church for centuries.

I think you know what I meant. Or if you didn't:

Mass is reverent and traditional. I was talking about the drums and guitars, etc.

I like that mass is quiet and follows a pretty regimented order.

Not that it's the only way to go about things. Just my preference.

Bigred1995 wrote: This video makes this whole conversation very interesting!!!

I don't trust videos that use such extensive typography. It's the work of the devil.

Bigred1995 wrote: This video makes this whole conversation very interesting!!!

Interesting clip.

Only because of stupidity is the catholic tradition meaningful. What a filth ridden organization Torture devices, Child molestations, the inquisition There is no group of humans more horrid than Catholics and their rationalizations of thier horrendous acts.

All white people are horrid because they practiced slavery.

Don't judge me because some dudes in Spain were assholes.

BCSbunk wrote: Only because of stupidity is the catholic tradition meaningful. What a filth ridden organization Torture devices, Child molestations, the inquisition There is no group of humans more horrid than Catholics and their rationalizations of thier horrendous acts.

Yeah I think we all pretty much gathered that anybody who doesn't think like you is stupid, racist, horrible, and worthless.

BCSbunk wrote: Only because of stupidity is the catholic tradition meaningful. What a filth ridden organization Torture devices, Child molestations, the inquisition There is no group of humans more horrid than Catholics and their rationalizations of thier horrendous acts.

Awfully broad brush you use. Should the US round up all 57 million of us and throw away the key?

Do you actually believe the bullshit you peddle here that these 57 million Americans are pro torture, torture devises, pedophilia and cover ups for crime? Or the 1 billion Catholics globally?

Would you like me to present some facts regarding Catholic charities both here and abroad?

Do you find it odd that these 57 million Amercians have collectively picked the winning candidate for president over the past 10 presidential elections?

Would you like me to post that the attendees of Parochial high schools have a 50% higher graduation rate than the public schools? That these students have about a 40% higher rate of going on to secondary education?

Your diatribe is no different than those that state that all followers of Islam are radical terrorists.

CenterBHSFan wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Only because of stupidity is the catholic tradition meaningful. What a filth ridden organization Torture devices, Child molestations, the inquisition There is no group of humans more horrid than Catholics and their rationalizations of thier horrendous acts.

Yeah I think we all pretty much gathered that anybody who doesn't think like you is stupid, racist, horrible, and worthless.

And you drew that conclusion because of? No sense of logical reasoning.

Lets allow filth like the Catholic church to continue to harm children oh yes that must be the conservative way.

Footwedge wrote: ^^^DDCrew. I was wondering about his reply as well. The original statement that he made was true. More hetero people are pedophile than homo. But given the fact that the gay community encompasses only about 2.5 to 4 percent of the overall population, he's not really stating much.

Since I've been reading a lot about the RCC scandal, I have come across a couple different studies showing that homosexual pedophiles outnumber hetero pedophiles at a 3 to 1 ratio per capita...or per ratio. Another study had it as high as a 10 to 1 ratio per capita,

Put yet another way. If the overall popilation sample size consisted of 1000 heterosexual men, then roughly 60 of them would be pedophiles.

And if one was to take a sample size of 1000 homosexuals, there would be at the very least 180 pedophiles at the lower end, and as many as 600 pedophiles in the other study I read.

That simply is not possible. I belong to the largest gay organization in the Pacific NW and I know what goes on in our community. Yes, there are a few bad apples, but nothing at all like what you're saying. I imagine that per capita the number of molesters is about the same as with heteros. I think what you read was something written by someone with an agenda.

So the largest gay organization in the Pacific NW doesn't also have an agenda?

I Wear Pants wrote: So the largest gay organization in the Pacific NW doesn't also have an agenda?

Part of our agenda is to educate people to the truth. Saying that upwards of 600 out of every 1000 gay men are pedophiles is certainly not the truth.

I doubt that too. I just thought it was funny that you were discrediting a study for having an agenda and then talked about an activist group which by nature has an agenda.

I can't say anything until I read that study.

I Wear Pants wrote: I doubt that too. I just thought it was funny that you were discrediting a study for having an agenda and then talked about an activist group which by nature has an agenda.

I can't say anything until I read that study.

Maybe I need to explain what group I'm in. I sing with Seattle Men's Chorus. We are 350 singing members, making us the largest male chorus in the world. That along with the Seattle Women's Chorus (250 singing members) and our non-singing associates, we are the largest gay organization in this part of the country. But we educate and enlighten through music. As a group, we do not picket or protest. If we became too political, we would lose our non-profit status. Nevertheless, we do get our message across. We have done AIDS benefits, breast cancer awareness concerts, and concerts to raise money for choral music in the Seattle Public Schools. In 2001 it was our sad duty to sing at a number of 9/11 memorials. At Christmas our men's concerts draw about 20,000 people, around three-fourths of whom are straight. The mayor of Seattle joined us on stage at one of our concerts this past December.

We are very much in the center of what goes on in the Seattle gay community. If a large percentage of our people were pedophiles, we would know about it and, quite frankly, we would do something about it. It was largely our organization that was responsible for closing down the gay baths in Seattle during the height of the AIDS epidemic. The SMC/SWC played a major role in getting the gay rights bill passed by Washington voters this past November (without losing our non-profit status). We do know what's going on, and I can assure you that the vast majority of us are not pedophiles.

^^^^that can be said about the 'vast majority' of Catholic priests.. The fact is abuse is present in any group where authority figures have power over people, especially minors. That some sort of coverup by the Catholic Church 20 years ago seems to be the case, It appears today that the Church today is serious and determined to weed out sex offenders.

I Wear Pants wrote:


I think you know what I meant. Or if you didn't:

Mass is reverent and traditional. I was talking about the drums and guitars, etc.

I like that mass is quiet and follows a pretty regimented order.

Not that it's the only way to go about things. Just my preference.

Not that church should be a rock concert, but contemporary music isn't something that should be "banned" from church.

Read Psalm 150 and tell me David didn't use that type of "beaty" music to praise the Lord.

I Wear Pants wrote: All white people are horrid because they practiced slavery.

Don't judge me because some dudes in Spain were assholes.

Exactly.

I'm not a Catholic, and don't agree with the church on MANY things. However, like Pants said here, don't label the whole Catholic Church because of some idiots.

If that's the case then all Christians are abortion doctor killers, all liberals are terrorists, all Muslims are terrorists, and I could go on.

FairwoodKing wrote:

Footwedge wrote: ^^^DDCrew. I was wondering about his reply as well. The original statement that he made was true. More hetero people are pedophile than homo. But given the fact that the gay community encompasses only about 2.5 to 4 percent of the overall population, he's not really stating much.

Since I've been reading a lot about the RCC scandal, I have come across a couple different studies showing that homosexual pedophiles outnumber hetero pedophiles at a 3 to 1 ratio per capita...or per ratio. Another study had it as high as a 10 to 1 ratio per capita,

Put yet another way. If the overall popilation sample size consisted of 1000 heterosexual men, then roughly 60 of them would be pedophiles.

And if one was to take a sample size of 1000 homosexuals, there would be at the very least 180 pedophiles at the lower end, and as many as 600 pedophiles in the other study I read.

That simply is not possible. I belong to the largest gay organization in the Pacific NW and I know what goes on in our community. Yes, there are a few bad apples, but nothing at all like what you're saying. I imagine that per capita the number of molesters is about the same as with heteros. I think what you read was something written by someone with an agenda.

Unfortunately your using anecdotal evidence, he's using actual studies done on the subject.

Guess who loses that argument?

FairwoodKing wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: I doubt that too. I just thought it was funny that you were discrediting a study for having an agenda and then talked about an activist group which by nature has an agenda.

I can't say anything until I read that study.

Maybe I need to explain what group I'm in. I sing with Seattle Men's Chorus. We are 350 singing members, making us the largest male chorus in the world. That along with the Seattle Women's Chorus (250 singing members) and our non-singing associates, we are the largest gay organization in this part of the country. But we educate and enlighten through music. As a group, we do not picket or protest. If we became too political, we would lose our non-profit status. Nevertheless, we do get our message across. We have done AIDS benefits, breast cancer awareness concerts, and concerts to raise money for choral music in the Seattle Public Schools. In 2001 it was our sad duty to sing at a number of 9/11 memorials. At Christmas our men's concerts draw about 20,000 people, around three-fourths of whom are straight. The mayor of Seattle joined us on stage at one of our concerts this past December.

We are very much in the center of what goes on in the Seattle gay community. If a large percentage of our people were pedophiles, we would know about it and, quite frankly, we would do something about it. It was largely our organization that was responsible for closing down the gay baths in Seattle during the height of the AIDS epidemic. The SMC/SWC played a major role in getting the gay rights bill passed by Washington voters this past November (without losing our non-profit status). We do know what's going on, and I can assure you that the vast majority of us are not pedophiles.

Your organization is a great one doing great things. Because of this I would think that its "demographic" are some great people who happen to be homosexual. Nice, caring, etc individuals.

I would think, that even a similar group of exceptional people who are nice, caring, etc and happen to be heterosexual would have a much lower percentage of pedophiles than the typical heterosexual population if you follow what I'm alluding to.

Your group is a great one, but doesn't necessarily represent a great cross section of the homosexual community just like similar group of heterosexuals doing exceptionally great things for the community wouldn't represent a good cross section of heterosexuals.

Here's an awesome video everyone should see!

jmog wrote:

FairwoodKing wrote:

Footwedge wrote: ^^^DDCrew. I was wondering about his reply as well. The original statement that he made was true. More hetero people are pedophile than homo. But given the fact that the gay community encompasses only about 2.5 to 4 percent of the overall population, he's not really stating much.

Since I've been reading a lot about the RCC scandal, I have come across a couple different studies showing that homosexual pedophiles outnumber hetero pedophiles at a 3 to 1 ratio per capita...or per ratio. Another study had it as high as a 10 to 1 ratio per capita,

Put yet another way. If the overall popilation sample size consisted of 1000 heterosexual men, then roughly 60 of them would be pedophiles.

And if one was to take a sample size of 1000 homosexuals, there would be at the very least 180 pedophiles at the lower end, and as many as 600 pedophiles in the other study I read.

That simply is not possible. I belong to the largest gay organization in the Pacific NW and I know what goes on in our community. Yes, there are a few bad apples, but nothing at all like what you're saying. I imagine that per capita the number of molesters is about the same as with heteros. I think what you read was something written by someone with an agenda.

Unfortunately your using anecdotal evidence, he's using actual studies done on the subject.

Guess who loses that argument?

I'm questioning the validity of those studies. That's why I don't necessarily lose the argument.

What are the links to these so-called studies? I would like to read them.

Bigred1995 wrote: Here's an awesome video everyone should see!

I don't find that clip awesome at all.

Smugness shouldn't enter the equation, nor humor.

CenterBHSFan wrote:

Bigred1995 wrote: Here's an awesome video everyone should see!

I don't find that clip awesome at all.

Smugness shouldn't enter the equation, nor humor.

Awesome may not have been as appropriate as hilarious, but it was funny as all hell!!