Look, Mikey just wants to hear someone give Obama the credit for saving the plane. Can someone just do that for him?

I don't see the point of this argument. The air marshal helped here no?

So what the hell does it matter if it was the FAM thing Bush did that put him there or not?

Pro tip: Even a terrible pres like Bush handles some things well.

Increasing the number of air marshals counts as one of those things.

Yes...he would LJ

Agradable verle el demostrar de sus lealtades verdaderas. Pensado le iban a permanecer imparcial

gibby08 wrote: If he gets the credit for stopping one...he would have to get the shit for if one crashed without a federal Marshall

That's poor logic.

If I push a kid out of the way of a speeding car do I get the blame for all the kids that get hit by cars?

I Wear Pants wrote: I don't see the point of this argument. The air marshal helped here no?

So what the hell does it matter if it was the FAM thing Bush did that put him there or not?

Pro tip: Even a terrible pres like Bush handles some things well.

Increasing the number of air marshals counts as one of those things.

I get that CBus...but NO ONE can say that this program was the only reason this plane didn't go down

My loyalties remain pragmatic, yours on the other hand, remain partisan.

LOL. If you post it in a different language you won't get banned.

^^^

Whatever you say LJ..whatever you say

gibby08 wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: I don't see the point of this argument. The air marshal helped here no?

So what the hell does it matter if it was the FAM thing Bush did that put him there or not?

Pro tip: Even a terrible pres like Bush handles some things well.

Increasing the number of air marshals counts as one of those things.

I get that CBus...but NO ONE can say that this program was the only reason this plane didn't go down

First off, I'm not CBus. Second off, who cares if they say that or not?

No one can say that anything was the only reason for anything else happening.

My bad friend...I;ve been up since 3 last night

You probably shouldn't do that.

had to be at work at 5 and can't get to sleep tonight

I have never been in this forum. But to say that the programs that added more Fed Air Marshals didn't help in a situation when a FAM stopped whatever was happening is absolutely idiotic. It is simple probability. There was much more likely to be a FAM on that plane than before Bush added to the program. There would have been a MUCH greater chance of no FAM being on the flight before, as stated the odds were only 1 in 900 or so. Lower that to 1 in 30, and you have your greater chance that the air marshal was on this flight, which he was. To say that if there hadn't been one on the plane and something had happened that the plan would be responsible is even worse logic.

Simple analogy.

There is a ton of crime on the west side of NYC, so the mayor decides to double the amount of police in that precinct. There is much more likely to be a police officer around when they are needed to stop whatever crime is happening. If a crime still happens, it is not due to the fact that more police were added to the area. It is that, unless there is a 1-1 ratio for people to cops, there will always be the chance of a crime that goes committed with no officer around to stop it. But there is a much greater chance of one being there.


FYI: I hated GWB, and am not a big fan of Obama either. I classify myself as somewhat of a libertarian. I hate the Religious Right, and also dislike the socialistic policies of the left.

Now that we got that out of the way. Yeah, the air marshal being on board in any and all likelihood stopped this from happening.

I Wear Pants wrote:

Now that we got that out of the way. Yeah, the air marshal being on board in any and all likelihood stopped this from happening.

Well the FAM did catch him in the act, so he did stop him. I mean there are a ton of what ifs and as I already said many posts ago you can't say that it wouldn't have been stopped if a FAM hadn't been there, but the fact is that they were and that is who stopped it.

Oh and I did have to edit out that first part, just for consistency sake.

Yeah that's cool. I half figured that you would. Not a big deal.

Too bad the Marshall couldn't stop him from sneaking a smoke in the lav, since that's apparently what happened.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100408/ap_on_re_us/us_plane_disturbance

Lol. Should have just went with chewing some Nicorette gum.

My question is...how the hell did he get anything on the plane that could even start a fire, i.e. matches or a lighter. That would seem to be the biggest story. Security breakdown at the airport.

You are allowed to have lighters and matches on a plane.

Oh, i did not know that.

IMO, that is idiotic.

But, thanks for the info.

Well you can't have the torch lighters, only Zippos or Bic style. And you can have one book of non-strike anywhere matches.

ccrunner609 wrote: Thank you GWB

Just finished reading this thread.

I knew as soon as I read this, CC, that somebody was going to fly off their nut. Thanks!